Old Kent road

[mimifantasia87]

Old Kent road infront of Tesco all tapped off! Anyone aware of what?s happened ? Police everywhere and part of the park is also tapped off too! Heads up not effecting traffic unless turning left to go to Walworth road

[JohnL]

Stabbing reported on the radio - one line on it below

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-44327561

[DulwichFox]

It's getting to the point where Stabbings are no longer News-worthy.

People are no longer shocked by such news.

The Government knows that while the people are fighting each other, they are not fighting the Government.

This makes the people divided and weak.. and that suits all Governments.

It's all very very sad.

DulwichFox

[Robert Poste's Child]

DulwichFox Wrote:

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> It's getting to the point where Stabbings are no

> longer News-worthy.

>

> People are no longer shocked by such news.

>

> The Government knows that while the people are

> fighting each other, they are not fighting the

> Government.

> This makes the people divided and weak.. and

> that suits all Governments.

>

> It's all very very sad.

>

> DulwichFox

No argument with your first point but do you really mean the second part - that the Government is in some way allowing or wanting people to kill each other over trifles?

[rendelharris]

Robert Poste's Child Wrote:

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> DulwichFox Wrote:

> --------------------------------------------------

> -----

> > It's getting to the point where Stabbings are

> no

> > longer News-worthy.

> >

> > People are no longer shocked by such news.

> >

> > The Government knows that while the people

> are

> > fighting each other, they are not fighting the

> > Government.

> > This makes the people divided and weak.. and

> > that suits all Governments.

> >

> > It's all very very sad.

> >

> > DulwichFox

>

> No argument with your first point but do you

> really mean the second part - that the Government

> is in some way allowing or wanting people to kill

> each other over trifles?

I reckon it comes down to language, Fox didn't say they want it, but it can suit them - just as George W. doubtless didn't "want" 9/11 (unless you believe the tinfoil hat merchants) but it did suit his agenda of massively boosting defence spending and taking revenge for daddy's defeat in Iraq.

[Robert Poste's Child]

Frankly I'm not sure Theresa May gives much thought to people at all. I think she's more a policies and process person.

[Robert Poste's Child]

Horrifying pictures from Croydon in the news this morning of a man on a bike pulling a zombie knife on a motorist who seems to have pulled out on front of him.

[diable rouge]

Apr?s vous. Non, apr?s toi!...

[uncleglen]

Robert Poste's Child Wrote:

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> Frankly I'm not sure Theresa May gives much

> thought to people at all. I think she's more a

> policies and process person.

And what, pray. do you expect her to do?

There was a shooting in Deptford as well

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/6424923/london-shooting-man-machine-gun-brent-stabbing-deptford/

[Robert Poste's Child]

I expect her as PM to connect with people's cncerns and show empathy - or at least be very good at faking it.

[rendelharris]

uncleglen Wrote:

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> Robert Poste's Child Wrote:

> --------------------------------------------------

> -----

> > Frankly I'm not sure Theresa May gives much

> > thought to people at all. I think she's more a

> > policies and process person.

>

> And what, pray. do you expect her to do?

Reinstating the ?600m of cuts she's imposed on the Met as Home Secretary and PM might be a good start.

[flocker spotter]

violent crime cannot be totally removed but it can be controlled, most often by cash funding. unfortunately , this is an exponetial costing problem - the fat tails are the hardest and most costly to cover, so tolerance risk models are used to determine the best confidence scenario & provide some kind of acceptable balance. These fat tails take the form of dead young men these days. the accceptable output of a risk model that has accepted a certain level of fatality as part of the cost cutting. the UKG has accepted this level of slaughter as part of its never ending austerity programme. these dead young men are the direct result of cold number crunching.

[rendelharris]

flocker spotter Wrote:

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> violent crime cannot be totally removed but it can

> be controlled, most often by cash funding.

> unfortunately , this is an exponetial costing

> problem - the fat tails are the hardest and most

> costly to cover, so tolerance risk models are used

> to determine the best confidence scenario &

> provide some kind of acceptable balance. These fat

> tails take the form of dead young men these days.

> the accceptable output of a risk model that has

> accepted a certain level of fatality as part of

> the cost cutting. the UKG has accepted this level

> of slaughter as part of its never ending austerity

> programme. these dead young men are the direct

> result of cold number crunching.

Truth.

[JohnL]

flocker spotter Wrote:

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> violent crime cannot be totally removed but it can

> be controlled, most often by cash funding.

> unfortunately , this is an exponetial costing

> problem - the fat tails are the hardest and most

> costly to cover, so tolerance risk models are used

> to determine the best confidence scenario &

> provide some kind of acceptable balance. These fat

> tails take the form of dead young men these days.

> the accceptable output of a risk model that has

> accepted a certain level of fatality as part of

> the cost cutting. the UKG has accepted this level

> of slaughter as part of its never ending austerity

> programme. these dead young men are the direct

> result of cold number crunching.

But the government denies there being any links whatsoever between for instance benefit cuts and suicides (which to most people would seem a sensible link) - so either they know they are using statistical methods and lying or they don't know what they're doing.

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2016/may/13/suicides-of-benefit-claimants-reveal-dwp-flaws-says-inquiry

[flocker spotter]

hmmmmmm....

[JohnL]

Of course no government will admit it's policies kill people - would be political suicide..

[taper]

I was waiting at the lights on my bike on the OKR, next to the taped off area. While i was there (a minute or so) two people separately ducked under the tape and walked across the crime scene; despite the presence of a SOCO in white overalls doing the necessary. The two police on guard went ape and took their names; despite protests from both that they'd done nothing wrong.

[flocker spotter]

JohnL Wrote:

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> Of course no government will admit it's policies

> kill people - would be political suicide..

of course, but it is all about what is politically tolerable. As much as the headline grabbing incidents are bad news for all involved, it does - rightly or wrongly - lead to the question about how communities( and their members) are ranked and the loading involved in making these economic decisions- if people were being shanked and shot on a daily basis in Chelsea, the situation & outcomes would likely be far different