TheCat Posted July 10, 2018 Share Posted July 10, 2018 Genuine question....I've seen plenty in the papers, on the Web and on the news about how they were going to get the boys and their coach out. And naturally im genuinely thrilled that they all out safe.But, i've not read anything explains how they ended up over 3km from the cave entrance with no guide, no gear and no idea? Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/197419-thai-cave-rescue/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
KidKruger Posted July 11, 2018 Share Posted July 11, 2018 It was a lot drier when they went in. There were a few narrow passes to make it interesting.There was no guide, but they were with the coach who either was a complete novice (perhaps explaining why they went in so deep - naivety) or had been in the caves before at that time of year and had had a good experience he wanted to share with his team.A downpour caused water levels to rise to the point where they had no chance of returning the way they came, then they had to vacate the cavern they were in when it filled-up.I think a lot of luck was involved in this story, given the age of the team and the outcomes that were possible (inevitable ?) from waters rising in underwater caves.Top marks to the search party who penetrated some way to find the team.It's interesting the 'quarantine' the kids are going through at the moment, I don't know enough to understand what infections the medical team fear. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/197419-thai-cave-rescue/#findComment-1261206 Share on other sites More sharing options...
rendelharris Posted July 11, 2018 Share Posted July 11, 2018 KidKruger Wrote:-------------------------------------------------------> It's interesting the 'quarantine' the kids are> going through at the moment, I don't know enough> to understand what infections the medical team> fear.General weakness from having endured low temperatures and starvation for such a long time (two of the boys reportedly suffering from pneumonia) makes them vulnerable to infection, also they want to make sure that they haven't picked up any waterborne infections, or those carried by cave-dwelling bats, they could pass on to their families. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/197419-thai-cave-rescue/#findComment-1261210 Share on other sites More sharing options...
intexasatthe moment Posted July 11, 2018 Share Posted July 11, 2018 I think in common with a lot of young men in Thailand ( particularly those whose parents have died as this person's had ) the young team coach had spent several years in a Buddhist monastery . He was used to meditating and helped his young charges to survive the 9/10 days in darkness to remain still and calm . I think regarding diseases they are concerned about those carried by rat droppings and bats . Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/197419-thai-cave-rescue/#findComment-1261211 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Poste's Child Posted July 11, 2018 Share Posted July 11, 2018 Somewhere out there I bet people are already scrambling for the film rights. Now the kids are out and safe I hope the local officials think about this so that some money comes back to the area and all those involved (including the poor family of the diver who lost his life - surely a reminder of how very dangerous the situation was) in case they need more support in the future as PTSD can take a while to come out. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/197419-thai-cave-rescue/#findComment-1261222 Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnL Posted July 11, 2018 Share Posted July 11, 2018 It didn't end there https://www.theguardian.com/news/2018/jul/11/thailand-cave-rescue-water-pumps-failed-just-after-last-boy-escaped Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/197419-thai-cave-rescue/#findComment-1261234 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Poste's Child Posted July 11, 2018 Share Posted July 11, 2018 How dramatic. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/197419-thai-cave-rescue/#findComment-1261264 Share on other sites More sharing options...
civilservant Posted July 11, 2018 Share Posted July 11, 2018 I share The Cat's perplexity - why did they do it? and how did they end up where they did? - and don't fob me off with stories about happy endings and Buddhist forbearance etc the local equivalent is those idiots who climb Ben Nevis in January and have to be lifted off at vast expense and great risk to their rescuers - don't forget that at least one person died because of these kids and their coach Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/197419-thai-cave-rescue/#findComment-1261276 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dulwich Born And Bred Posted July 11, 2018 Share Posted July 11, 2018 Apparently an initiation ritual whereby they write their names on the cave wall. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/197419-thai-cave-rescue/#findComment-1261311 Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnL Posted July 11, 2018 Share Posted July 11, 2018 I assumed they just kept backing up as the waters rose (squeezing through the tiny tunnels) Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/197419-thai-cave-rescue/#findComment-1261312 Share on other sites More sharing options...
KidKruger Posted July 11, 2018 Share Posted July 11, 2018 civil, pls read my post.Thanks,KK Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/197419-thai-cave-rescue/#findComment-1261313 Share on other sites More sharing options...
civilservant Posted July 11, 2018 Share Posted July 11, 2018 i did, kk (i do read previous posts before adding my two-cents worth) but it doesn't quite answer my question - too many hypotheticals and suppositions in iti don't think we'll hear the real story until the hoo-hah and relief of the rescue have died down Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/197419-thai-cave-rescue/#findComment-1261354 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Help-Ma-Boab Posted July 11, 2018 Share Posted July 11, 2018 I thought it strange none of them. Not one could swim. Great they got out. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/197419-thai-cave-rescue/#findComment-1261359 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Poste's Child Posted July 11, 2018 Share Posted July 11, 2018 It was fascinating to hear that they sedated all the boys and strapped each to a diver to get them out. It makes perfect sense. Also something pleasingly Harry Potter to it. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/197419-thai-cave-rescue/#findComment-1261363 Share on other sites More sharing options...
intexasatthe moment Posted July 12, 2018 Share Posted July 12, 2018 This is an interesting account http://www.foxnews.com/world/2018/07/11/ap-interview-us-rescuer-details-high-risk-thai-cave-mission.htmlIt's not clear to me how the boys were transported ,it does seem they were really out of it - ketamine ? - and that for at least some of the time were on special stretchers that were attached to some kind of overhead "zip" line . Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/197419-thai-cave-rescue/#findComment-1261422 Share on other sites More sharing options...
fishbiscuits Posted July 12, 2018 Share Posted July 12, 2018 Quite rightly, the focus has been on getting everyone out, rather than pointing fingers.But once the dust has settled, I think the coach should have to face the music. We don't know all the facts, and obviously I don't know if he's guilty of any criminal offence... but certainly at face value, it seems incredibly reckless to take kids several km into a cave (including narrow sections you need to wriggle through) without an expert guide. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/197419-thai-cave-rescue/#findComment-1261473 Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnL Posted July 12, 2018 Share Posted July 12, 2018 I think Thai people may have a solution ..."Coach Nop said Ake may be asked to go back to being a monk for a while, something Thais typically do as a kind of penance, or to replenish or cleanse themselves spiritually."https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-44799779 Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/197419-thai-cave-rescue/#findComment-1261479 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sue Posted July 12, 2018 Share Posted July 12, 2018 fishbiscuits Wrote:-------------------------------------------------------> Quite rightly, the focus has been on getting> everyone out, rather than pointing fingers.> > But once the dust has settled, I think the coach> should have to face the music. We don't know all> the facts, and obviously I don't know if he's> guilty of any criminal offence... but certainly at> face value, it seems incredibly reckless to take> kids several km into a cave (including narrow> sections you need to wriggle through) without an> expert guide.From what I have read, their escape route was blocked and they didn't have much choice except to go further into the cave.However, I have also read that there was a notice at the entrance to the cave warning people not to enter it during the rainy season (which was about to start).I can't say whether any of that is true, but if the notice part is true, then it is quite worrying. However I'm not quite sure what purpose making somebody "face the music" would serve now. I'm sure the poor guy is well aware of what he could/should have done, but it's a bit late now. Further punishment would be a bit cruel, surely? Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/197419-thai-cave-rescue/#findComment-1261501 Share on other sites More sharing options...
fishbiscuits Posted July 12, 2018 Share Posted July 12, 2018 Sue Wrote:-------------------------------------------------------> However I'm not quite sure what purpose> making somebody "face the music" would serve now.> I'm sure the poor guy is well aware of what he> could/should have done, but it's a bit late now.> Further punishment would be a bit cruel, surely?Maybe not criminal proceedings - although not really for us to say. But should he remain in such a position of responsibility? If the club comes under a governing body, what can they learn regarding guidelines for trips/activities, etc. Stuff like that. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/197419-thai-cave-rescue/#findComment-1261521 Share on other sites More sharing options...
KidKruger Posted July 12, 2018 Share Posted July 12, 2018 It was an honest mistake on the part of the coach.Thai culture is very different and subtle compared to ours and us speculating from England on who should 'pay' for what is sort of irrelevant. The comment above about less infatuation with 'blame' in the region is spot on.There won't be a person in Thailand, the region, perhaps a great part of the world, not aware of the dangers of caves by now. This will already have done more for overall future safety than publicly bollocking a football coach will.Thank heavens this didn't happen in UK, he'd have been torn to shreds. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/197419-thai-cave-rescue/#findComment-1261533 Share on other sites More sharing options...
intexasatthe moment Posted July 12, 2018 Share Posted July 12, 2018 Is anyone else depressed that the discussion of this event on the EDF has focussed on the culpability of the coach ? Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/197419-thai-cave-rescue/#findComment-1261536 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Poste's Child Posted July 12, 2018 Share Posted July 12, 2018 Only a few people have. Don't think I did, anyway. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/197419-thai-cave-rescue/#findComment-1261561 Share on other sites More sharing options...
rendelharris Posted July 12, 2018 Share Posted July 12, 2018 intexasatthe moment Wrote:-------------------------------------------------------> Is anyone else depressed that the discussion of> this event on the EDF has focussed on the> culpability of the coach ?Yes. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/197419-thai-cave-rescue/#findComment-1261564 Share on other sites More sharing options...
intexasatthe moment Posted July 12, 2018 Share Posted July 12, 2018 The rescue of the Thai boys and coach has not only brought nations together but also ................RH and ITATM ! Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/197419-thai-cave-rescue/#findComment-1261574 Share on other sites More sharing options...
intexasatthe moment Posted July 12, 2018 Share Posted July 12, 2018 RPC no you didn't .As a Magnum lover you have more postive tendencies .edited to add ,and a cyclist ! Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/197419-thai-cave-rescue/#findComment-1261577 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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