Number 12 bus

[NewWave]

Today for the second time in two weeks I had to get a number 12 bus home from Oxford Circus due to problems with the Jubilee Line.

Both times the bus was hotter than Hades with no windows that open and no form of air conditioning or air cooling in evidence.

What the hell is wrong with the design of these 'new' busses?

Surely the whole idea of having sealed windows should be due to air cooling but Ive never seen any in evidence.

Likewise back in February when I couldn't get the overground due to snow stopping the service i got on a 12 with no heating that was like spending 70 miniutes (I get off at Oxford Circus)In an ice cube.

There has been a lot in the press about heat on the underground but I get the Jubilee line every day and at least the windows open each end of the carriage giving a semblance of breeze, and they do have fans.

But trust me the number 12 is way hotter than the underground and I can't believe this hasn't been flagged by the press as this is a new state of the art bus that a lot of money has been spent on.

bring back the old route master!

[Zebedee Tring]

Blame Boris. This was one of his vanity projects.

[Lowlander]

Air conditioning will cool - and, importantly, dehumidify - an outside temperature from a rough maximum of 55C to a minimum of around 18-20C

Air *cooling* is just a big fan. The old buses with opening front window and roof windows were probably much cooler in summer.

Anyway, it has been reported in the press ad infinitum... https://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=boris+bus+hot&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8

[NewWave]

Lowlander Wrote:

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> Air conditioning will cool - and, importantly,

> dehumidify - an outside temperature from a rough

> maximum of 55C to a minimum of around 18-20C

>

> Air *cooling* is just a big fan. The old buses

> with opening front window and roof windows were

> probably much cooler in summer.

>

> Anyway, it has been reported in the press ad

> infinitum...

> https://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en

> &q=boris+bus+hot&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8

But the 12 appears to have no cooling system at all!

Whats more all the press items date from up to 5 years ago and still nothing has been done! at around 350k per bus its a joke!

[Lowlander]

NewWave Wrote:

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> Lowlander Wrote:

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> -----

> > Air conditioning will cool - and, importantly,

> > dehumidify - an outside temperature from a

> rough

> > maximum of 55C to a minimum of around 18-20C

> >

> > Air *cooling* is just a big fan. The old buses

> > with opening front window and roof windows were

> > probably much cooler in summer.

> >

> > Anyway, it has been reported in the press ad

> > infinitum...

> >

> https://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en

>

> > &q=boris+bus+hot&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8

>

> But the 12 appears to have no cooling system at

> all!

> Whats more all the press items date from up to 5

> years ago and still nothing has been done! at

> around 350k per bus its a joke!

Yup! Noisy, hot, claustrophobic. A bit like their sponsor.

[natty01295]

Yes those 🚌 Buses are Very warm inside

[Passiflora]

I would just be thankful that you have an alternative transport home. I remember getting the old No. 12 everyday to get home in a heatwave and having to go upstairs when smoking was still allowed!

[uncleglen]

I've lived in London all my life and would NEVER work in the city. I attended uni at in Waterloo and getting a 176 there and back took forever....put me off for life

[NewWave]

uncleglen Wrote:

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> I've lived in London all my life and would NEVER

> work in the city. I attended uni at in Waterloo

> and getting a 176 there and back took

> forever....put me off for life

I hear you. however I have no choice if I want to keep a roof over my head sadly!

[Bic Basher]

The air cooling was excellent on the 176 and 185 on the upper deck today.

[JohnL]

Boris Buses are meant to have air conditioning but the design doesn't work - preferred the huge bendy things to be honest.

Air conditioning seems to be breaking in this heat - work, local pret, local wetherspoons all struggling not M&S though.

[Gubodge]

Rye books is lovely and cool (although shut today, I think.)

[Zebedee Tring]

This might have something to do with the fact that Boris got his chum Thomas Heatherwick to design the bus when Heatherwick's company had no experience of bus design. This is not entirely unrelated to one of the other Boris vanity projects, the Thames Garden Bridge - in April 2017 a Mayor of London report criticised the appointments of Heatherwick Studio and engineer Arup in 2013 which "were not open, fair or competitive ? and revealed systematic failures and ineffective control systems".

[BrandNewGuy]

JohnL Wrote:

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> Air conditioning seems to be breaking in this heat

> - work, local pret, local wetherspoons all

> struggling not M&S though.

The concourse M&S at London Bridge had no chillers working this morning. Lots of disgruntled-looking hungry commuters...

[Elphinstone's Army]

Zebedee Tring Wrote:

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> but the design doesn't work >

>

> This might have something to do with the fact that

> Boris got his chum Thomas Heatherwick to design

> the bus when Heatherwick's company had no

> experience of bus design. This is not entirely

> unrelated to one of the other Boris vanity

> projects, the Thames Garden Bridge - in April 2017

> a Mayor of London report criticised the

> appointments of Heatherwick Studio and engineer

> Arup in 2013 which "were not open, fair or

> competitive ? and revealed systematic failures and

> ineffective control systems".

I didn?t know this thanks

I will eschew the rigours of the 12 for any other bus going my way, mainly because I prefer to travel on an elevated seat. Those on the 12 which face each other are too small and there is no room for 4 pairs of feet.

[Tractorlad]

JohnL Wrote:

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> Boris Buses are meant to have air conditioning but

> the design doesn't work - preferred the huge bendy

> things to be honest.

>

> Air conditioning seems to be breaking in this heat

> - work, local pret, local wetherspoons all

> struggling not M&S though.

I suspect the M&S aircon is not any old aricon though. It's M&S aircon!

[EDPineapple]

Yeah the Boris buses are like travelling ovens, have been since they first rolled out. They tried to retro-fit windows to the top deck to improve the situation but it hasn't done anything. As others have said, another ridiculous vanity project from our former mayor.

[Angelina]

I get the 148 from town, it's quite nice upstairs with breeze through windows. I assumed it was the same style Bus as the 12 as it has the rear stairs. Maybe they could just replace windows with ones that open