Rogue moped riders operating in this area

[Sue]

There would be more police around, and more within easy distance of the crime, even if not on the same road.

Also with more patrolling, the criminals could not be sure one would not suddenly appear.

That's a deterrent in my book.

[se22cat]

Before we had to pay poll tax, you'd see Police on foot patrol all around the area in Goose Green, now we've lost our station, pay more tax, and seeing a beat cop is a rarer sighting than a shiny Pokemon : /

To be fair though, when I did report a gang of around 10 scooters bombing down our street without plates a patrol car was heard in pursuit just a couple of minutes later, no idea if anything came of it though.

[Maybaby]

Hello everyone. It is quite shocking reading, and it is very sad to read of people feeling unsafe outside their home.

I know it isn't in this area, but I came across these posts on another forum for South West London.

A man who was mugged at knife point in front of his children (the criminal was on a motorbike): https://nappyvalleynet.com/community/viewtopic.php?f=115&t=97698&sid=0faa0677cb929385c9ad26c4abd74a7c.

What do you think of a 'private security team'? I know in some areas (abroad) they have them, probably here in the UK as well, but it seems costly if only few people contribute...

[Angelina]

It is an idea, but surely the solution would be to have more police?

[JohnL]

Cressida Dick said recently the main problem is lack of resources not use of the current ones.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/sep/11/met-boss-calls-latest-police-pay-award-a-punch-on-the-nose

[NewWave]

Maybaby Wrote:

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> Hello everyone. It is quite shocking reading, and

> it is very sad to read of people feeling unsafe

> outside their home.

>

> I know it isn't in this area, but I came across

> these posts on another forum for South West

> London.

>

> A man who was mugged at knife point in front of

> his children (the criminal was on a motorbike):

> https://nappyvalleynet.com/community/viewtopic.php

> ?f=115&t=97698&sid=0faa0677cb929385c9ad26c4abd74a7

> c.

>

> What do you think of a 'private security team'? I

> know in some areas (abroad) they have them,

> probably here in the UK as well, but it seems

> costly if only few people contribute...

Private security teams only really work properly on private estates and private roads.

When I was in the US my neighbours contributed to an 'armed response' security corps that would drive around the contributing streets on a a regular patrol they were also linked through to the panic buttons and alarms in peoples houses hence armed response should an alarm go off-everyone also had signs on their front gates stating the company etc therefore adding an additional deterrent.

I remember chatting to one of the patrol guys and they were all ex cops ex LAPD and hence licensed to carry firearms.

Such schemes are very expensive (this was in Laurel Canyon area-otherareas of Beverly Hills have same.)

I believe that some streets in Hampstead have contributed to similar schemes due to doorstep muggings and carjackings.

The only way I could see it working in an area such as ours is if all the local businesses on Lordship Lane and East Dulwich grove contributed and the patrols went along Lordship lane and a few streets off.

Considering the amount of late night businesses (restaurants pubs cinema) this 'may' work within a 10am-11pm window.

HOWEVER small buisinesses are struggling in the retail sector so I doubt an added expense would be welcome unless they felt the crimewave was negatively impacting upon their takings and also you can't get blood out of a stone.

subscription policing within the private sector to my mind will not work.

We need more police patrols on the streets both on foot and in cars. we need our local police stations back.

There is not enough resources for adequate policing for a city the size of london.

Government cuts have seen to this. I speak with some knowledge as a family member works for the met and tells me they do not have enough resources to investigate murders.

something needs to be done, the newspapers need to get behind the call for more money going to the met.

it is only a matter of time before people take things into their own hands and we have inexperienced neighbourhood vigilantes protecting their homes and loved ones and imagine what a mess that would be.

[uncleglen]

here is an opportunity to meet them in person!

http://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/forum/read.php?5,1969270

pardon the cynicism

[Angelina]

That'sounds a great idea. Let's hope we have some role models who are eager to take a positive step rather than just moan.

[IlonaM]

Just seen this new police tactic reported in the Standard (with video):

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/gotcha-dramatic-footage-reveals-met-polices-new-hardline-war-on-londons-violent-moped-gangs-a3998141.html

[uncleglen]

Hopefully the cops are making use of the uninsured confiscated cars that litter our roads to ram the crims....a new BMW or Mitsubishi or Subaru is very expensive!

[Ruskin]

uncleglen Wrote:

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> Hopefully the cops are making use of the uninsured

> confiscated cars that litter our roads to ram the

> crims....a new BMW or Mitsubishi or Subaru is very

> expensive!

Just what I was thinking. I'd love to know how they're being training for these manoeuvres. We'll have to wait for the next series of Rams on Camera.

[Jules-and-Boo]

Good lord.

Knock the little b*stards over and then pick them up and charge them. Nothing else sesms to be working. May seem harsh, but tell that to the people attacked / robbed or murdered by them.

[El Presidente]

Great to see the old bill sticking it to them at last.

[Blah Blah]

Good to see the nonsensical policy of before being abandoned. And a 44% decrease in crimes speaks for itself. These kids care nothing of their victims so good to see the kid gloves treatment being withdrawn by Police.

[bobbsy]

Great news!!

[Captain Marvel]

Until such time as a cop runs one of them over and ends up on a manslaughter charge

[se22cat]

I hope their acid gets spilled on them when they get hit.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-england-london-46321715/thieves-knocked-off-mopeds-by-police-in-london

[rendelharris]

Good tactic and no sympathy for any mugger who gets hurt as a result. Very good effort by the Met.

Very interesting lesson about perceptions and reality though: looking on here and many other social media outlets over the last year one would definitely get the impression that this problem was getting worse and worse, whereas in fact it's almost halved.

[BrandNewGuy]

Hmmm, something about this video doesn't quite smell right. Not that I thing these scenes have all been staged (and some of them simply look like kids falling off), but they've been put together in a clever way to scare the little scrotes. I'm pretty sure the police are aware of the legal implications of deliberately running someone down and causing serious injury or death. But if the deterrent effect of this video works, then fine.

[IlonaM]

Another new tactic in use (reported in the Standard):

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/dna-spray-being-used-by-police-in-london-to-tag-and-identify-moped-criminals-a3998971.html

Not quite as full-on (although seems to have been used together with the 'tactical contact'), but the police have to get close enough to the moped to spray them.