Gammons and Letterboxes

[flocker spotter]

you may want to check the definition of gammon then, seeing as your whole position is based on this commonly accepted premise

no need to thank me, i am here to assist

[TheCat]

Wow. You are really totally missing the point. Perhaps purposefully?

I'll try one last time....just becuase YOU call a white man a Gammon doesn't mean he is one. It means YOU think he's intolerant. YOU have branded him something he might not at all be, by assuming he holds a certain set of beliefs. But it doesn't mean he holds them. This is the premise of the whole argument.....but anyway...if you don't want to acknowledge that, then I suspect you're being purposefully obtuse in a thread I started in good faith (I belive the cool kids call it 'trolling')

[Angelina]

yes, TheCat - you have been trolled.

Did you hope for a balanced debate? High hopes....

[flocker spotter]

This was never meant as a balanced debate any more than Johnsons statement was meant to raise free speech.

[keano77]

Isn?t the use of the word ?Gammons? potentially offensive to Muslins (as well as Jews) given its porcine origins?

Get a life. It?s the silly season for news and this matter has been hijacked for all sorts of reasons.

[edcam]

I have no time for Gammon apologists. I?m more concerned with the rise of the far right (of which Gammons are an unedifying symptom), racism, antisemitism, Labour?s lack of opposition and the looming disaster of Brexit. Gammons can sod off and pleasure themselves with the Daily Mail.

[Charles Martel]

This thread:

[Earl Aelfheah]

There is such an obvious difference between referring to 'gammon' (basically 'people who are a bit reactionary') and insulting a small, often vilified minority. Both are rude, but only one can seriously be said to amount to something more dangerous and irresponsible. Women wearing the 'burka' are often the target of street abuse and the kind of language used by Alexander de Pfeffel Johnson echos the language of street abuse quite intentionally. It also has to be seen in the context of his previous 'gaffes' where he has said things which belie an unsavoury attitude to people in less powerful positions to himself. For example referring to black people as "piccaninnies" with "watermelon smiles", gay people as "bumboys" and saying that if equal marriage was acceptable why not "three men and a dog". There are others. The problem is the power differential between a politician and national newspaper columnist and the minority groups he likes to publicly mock and bully.

[JohnL]

TheCat Wrote:

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> Wow. You are really totally missing the point.

> Perhaps purposefully?

>

> I'll try one last time....just becuase YOU call a

> white man a Gammon doesn't mean he is one. It

> means YOU think he's intolerant. YOU have branded

> him something he might not at all be, by assuming

> he holds a certain set of beliefs. But it doesn't

> mean he holds them. This is the premise of the

> whole argument.....but anyway...if you don't want

> to acknowledge that, then I suspect you're being

> purposefully obtuse in a thread I started in good

> faith (I belive the cool kids call it 'trolling')

But the views of those branded "Gammon" are obvious to all as the whole definition of being a "Gammon" is standing up and shouting angry views until you're red in the face.

[cella]

rahrahrah Wrote:

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> There is such an obvious difference between

> referring to 'gammon' (basically 'people who are a

> bit reactionary') and insulting a small, often

> vilified minority. Both are rude, but only one can

> seriously be said to amount to something more

> dangerous and irresponsible. Women wearing the

> 'burka' are often the target of street abuse and

> the kind of language used by Alexander de Pfeffel

> Johnson echos the language of street abuse quite

> intentionally. It also has to be seen in the

> context of his previous 'gaffes' where he has said

> things which belie an unsavoury attitude to people

> in less powerful positions to himself. For example

> referring to black people as "piccaninnies" with

> "watermelon smiles", gay people as "bumboys" and

> saying that if equal marriage was acceptable why

> not "three men and a dog". There are others. The

> problem is the power differential between a

> politician and national newspaper columnist and

> the minority groups he likes to publicly mock and

> bully.

And now the tiresome Christine Hamilton. Her departure was, rightly, swift. She's apologised for "upsetting" some people and taken down her unnecessary and racist picture but no sign that she understands or cares about even thinking of posting in the first place.

[snowy]

Her picture and comments is still on her twitter page.

Her association with Muscular Dystrophy UK is no longer there as they quite rightly no longer want to be associated with her red neck views.

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[cella]

That's terrible - I read that she'd taken it down. Awful couple.

[uncleglen]

I had to interview someone once and she was accompanied by a woman in a burka.....the experience left me believing it should definitely be banned...and they were referred to as letterboxes YEARS before Boris used it...

[diable rouge]

uncleglen Wrote:

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> ...and they were referred to as

> letterboxes YEARS before Boris used it...

Only in the Islamophobic circles you and your ilk drag your knuckles in...

[JoeLeg]

uncleglen Wrote:

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> I had to interview someone once and she was

> accompanied by a woman in a burka.....the

> experience left me believing it should definitely

> be banned...and they were referred to as

> letterboxes YEARS before Boris used it...

There?s a lot of stuff bigots like yo have been saying for years. You?re such a keyboard warrior...

[uncleglen]

One word for you..Huddersfield

[edcam]

There were all sorts of offensive terms deemed acceptable years ago. You sound like a Gammon.

uncleglen Wrote:

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> I had to interview someone once and she was

> accompanied by a woman in a burka.....the

> experience left me believing it should definitely

> be banned...and they were referred to as

> letterboxes YEARS before Boris used it...

[Charles Martel]

uncleglen Wrote:

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> One word for you..Huddersfield

Just the one?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6062349/Thirty-men-woman-charged-sexual-exploitation-girls-young-12.html

Why not add another, Pennsylvania?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6063183/Victims-Pennsylvania-priests-share-stories-emotional-video.html

You would be a fool to trust a gammon around kids any more than a kebab.

[JoeLeg]

uncleglen Wrote:

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> One word for you..Huddersfield

Is that the best you can do, keyboard warrior?

Do you see anyone on here defending sex abusers?

Oh yes, your man Tommy does! So it?s not a problem when it?s a nice white boy, but immigrants of any type must be deported because of some criminal immigrants?

Looks to me like Huddersfield is an example of the police doing a good job, and they should be applauded. What more do you want? Seriously, what do you want to happen?

You?re not even trying to hide your hatred and racism any more, keyboard warrior.

[flocker spotter]

It would seeem that this ploy to facilitate gammon soft rehabilitation by stealth has fallen on its spotty arse.

[Chick]

What is a "gammon"?

[Captkerk]

We are lucky to live in a society where we have the right to freely express opinions. People can decide the qualitative elements of what was expressed for themselves. Offensive remarks are part of the landscape as it is impossible to not offend someone at some time.

[Angelina]

but do some have more right to not be offended than others....?

[flocker spotter]

The gammon community are utterly furious they do not have a proper war in their lifetime that would have lent some credibility to their scarlet hued fury.

Thye do not deserve respect, they deserve to be pilloried for squandering the opportunity to actually do some good and change things for the better. yesterdays men, fat on final salary pensions and nests lined on the stolen gains of privatisation.

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[Chick]

What is a "gammon"?