Fire on Lordship Lane

[Sue]

But surely it wasn't the grease build up which caused the fire.

It was oil being heated up which was left unattended.

Apparently.

[JoeLeg]

An oil fire itself may not be too ?dangerous? - I have no idea how much oil was involved, but a proper fire blanket or foam extinguisher (both legally mandatory in restaurant kitchens) will handle one fairly easily. I?ve had to unload an extinguisher into an oven which had become ablaze due to spilled oil, it?s not a big deal on its own. There?s actually not a lot of easily flammable stuff in a restaurant kitchen, the equipment is mostly metal for example. That?s intentional.

But if you?re dumb enough to not have your extraction scrubbed out twice a year then if flames reach the extraction unit - from any source - then yes, you?re in trouble.

[Sue]

Ah, ok.

[FightingFit]

JoeLeg Wrote:

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> An oil fire itself may not be too ?dangerous? - I

> have no idea how much oil was involved, but a

> proper fire blanket or foam extinguisher (both

> legally mandatory in restaurant kitchens) will

> handle one fairly easily. I?ve had to unload an

> extinguisher into an oven which had become ablaze

> due to spilled oil, it?s not a big deal on its

> own. There?s actually not a lot of easily

> flammable stuff in a restaurant kitchen, the

> equipment is mostly metal for example. That?s

> intentional.

>

> But if you?re dumb enough to not have your

> extraction scrubbed out twice a year then if

> flames reach the extraction unit - from any source

> - then yes, you?re in trouble.

Perhaps if you shared your pearls of wisdom with Munir Hussan and not on here, he'd be most grateful

[JoeLeg]

FightingFit Wrote:

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>

>

> Perhaps if you shared your pearls of wisdom with

> Munir Hussan and not on here, he'd be most

> grateful

(Is that supposed to make me feel stupid or something? Or perhaps people should only talk online about things they understand when you approve it first? Let me know...)

I?ll be real clear. When you run any business that sells food to the public there is a mass of regulations and laws that *must* be adhered to. Do you know why, my little passive-aggressive darling?

SO WE DON?T KILL STAFF OR CUSTOMERS.

Food hygiene, health and safety, HAACP, insurance and more besides. All of it absolutely necessary.

Regular cleaning on extraction systems is part of this, and if you think I?m somehow going to feel stupid for pointing out that Tandoori Nights is an example of WHY, then you need to take your head for a wobble.

I suspect Mr Hussan knows all this, and if he does indeed have the certificates to show he?s had it cleaned regularly then he can sit back safe in the knowledge that he was fulfilling his regulatory obligations and the insurance will pay out. If he didn?t, then he stands as a prime example of why we take this stuff seriously.

Somebody could?ve been killed.

[rendelharris]

FightingFit Wrote:

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> JoeLeg Wrote:

> --------------------------------------------------

> -----

> > An oil fire itself may not be too ?dangerous? -

> I

> > have no idea how much oil was involved, but a

> > proper fire blanket or foam extinguisher (both

> > legally mandatory in restaurant kitchens) will

> > handle one fairly easily. I?ve had to unload an

> > extinguisher into an oven which had become

> ablaze

> > due to spilled oil, it?s not a big deal on its

> > own. There?s actually not a lot of easily

> > flammable stuff in a restaurant kitchen, the

> > equipment is mostly metal for example. That?s

> > intentional.

> >

> > But if you?re dumb enough to not have your

> > extraction scrubbed out twice a year then if

> > flames reach the extraction unit - from any

> source

> > - then yes, you?re in trouble.

>

>

> Perhaps if you shared your pearls of wisdom with

> Munir Hussan and not on here, he'd be most

> grateful

JL is an expert who runs his own kitchen. It's quite interesting to hear of the causes and precautions etc from an insider. Mr.Hussan should have known all this (and presumably did but chose to ignore it), it's hardly the job of one chef to go round explaining to another what their statutory obligations are. You really are rather mean-spirited in many of your comments, FF.

[FightingFit]

> JL is an expert who runs his own kitchen. It's

> quite interesting to hear of the causes and

> precautions etc from an insider. Mr.Hussan should

> have known all this (and presumably did but chose

> to ignore it), it's hardly the job of one chef to

> go round explaining to another what their

> statutory obligations are. You really are rather

> mean-spirited in many of your comments, FF.

No worse than many of your pompous inaccurate assumptions, harris

[cella]

I hadn't come across you until you engaged with some recent posts of mine. What is your purpose other than to attack?

[rendelharris]

FightingFit Wrote:

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> > JL is an expert who runs his own kitchen. It's

> > quite interesting to hear of the causes and

> > precautions etc from an insider. Mr.Hussan

> should

> > have known all this (and presumably did but

> chose

> > to ignore it), it's hardly the job of one chef

> to

> > go round explaining to another what their

> > statutory obligations are. You really are

> rather

> > mean-spirited in many of your comments, FF.

>

> No worse than many of your pompous inaccurate

> assumptions, harris

I may well be pompous and inaccurate, but I only disagree with people when there is something to disagree with, for example certain EDL-supporting posters, whereas you seem to revel in making spiteful, mean-spirited, pointless comments for no reason whatsoever apart from just a delight in being unpleasant. There's a difference.

[nods]

Lots of speculation going on here based on one man's unfortunate loss.

Seems to me there are a lot of sad people on the EDF

[Sue]

nods Wrote:

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> Lots of speculation going on here based on one

> man's unfortunate loss.

> Seems to me there are a lot of sad people on the

> EDF

It isn't speculation.

It is based on the fire service's own report on the incident, as you can see if you read the thread.

As has been pointed out, somebody could have been killed.

It is a perfectly legitimate topic of discussion for a local forum.

[nods]

Extraction systems by law must be cleaned at least twice a year, Mr Hussein has been running many business for many years.

I'm sure he is aware of this,

Oil being heated and left unattended is dangerous and is something his staff should never have let happen which is why 3 of them did a runner. Apart from that all, all else being said is speculation. It's a very vague report.

[Sue]

nods Wrote:

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> Extraction systems by law must be cleaned at least

> twice a year, Mr Hussein has been running many

> business for many years

> I'm sure he is aware of this,

Erm, so you too are making assumptions, it seems.....

[EastDulwicher]

So sad to hear this and really cannot fathom why people would see this as an appropriate time to make jokes. Thank goodness nobody was hurt but I so feel for the owner and staff for whom this is a livelihood as it will be a journey and take time to get it back to where is was. I for one will also miss their delicious food in the meantime. Hoping that the recovery is straightforward and not too stressful for them all

[Penguin68]

The speed of recovery will depend on whether the insurance pays out quickly or not. And that will depend perhaps on whether the owners can demonstrate that they have taken proper care to maintain and service the kitchen (i.e. are not seen as contributing to the loss). Insurers tend to look for reasons not to pay (or to pay in full); and will drag out payment for as long as they can. I suspect (I do not know) that the fire will require a full kitchen re-build and possibly complete redecoration (and maybe re-build) of the restaurant space as well. There may also be structural damage to the building. This will not come cheap. It is not clear to me that this would be readily affordable without insurance. The suggested carelessness of the staff in leaving oil untended (if that is what transpires to be the case) should not however impact the claim (that's what you insure against).

[DulwichFox]

There is a lot at stake here.

Do they own the building ? Probably not

Will the Landlord be happy to re-rent to them. ?

Possibly huge rent increase ?

Will the Council rescind their license ?

Will the insurance pay out ?

Will they be able to get insurance ?

Again possibly huge insurance Premium penalties.

Will anyone be prosecuted. ?

Will have to wait and see ??

DulwichFox.

[JoeLeg]

DulwichFox Wrote:

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> There is a lot at stake here.

>

Very true.

> Do they own the building ? Probably not

>

You?re probably right, unfortunately.

> Will the Landlord be happy to re-rent to them. ?

> Possibly huge rent increase ?

One hopes not, but in this day and age who knows?

> Will the Council rescind their license ?

>

Unlikely, given that thankfully no one was injured.

> Will the insurance pay out ?

> Will they be able to get insurance ?

> Again possibly huge insurance Premium penalties.

>

Insurance companies are notorious, as Penguin says, for trying to get out of their obligations. If they can be persuaded to pay out (and I hope they are), then they will almost certainly jack the premiums a disgusting amount.

> Will anyone be prosecuted. ?

That?s down to the HSE I believe (could be wrong). Personally I think it unlikely but again, anything?s possible.

> Will have to wait and see ??

>

> DulwichFox.

Indeed. I really hope it reopens.

[EastdulwichNewbie]

Any updates on what?s happening with Tandoori Nights?