Babies and prams in Pubs!

[Damian H]

Sue Wrote:

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> Damian H Wrote:

>

> > Until then you will just have to put up with

> your

> > little foot stamping tantrums and purple "I'll

> > hold my breathe until I die!" tizzies and deal

> > with them by projecting them onto other people.

> I

> > think I saw you the other day in MPC actually.

> > You were the one with the runny nose in the

> high

> > chair and you were crying because mummy had

> taken

> > your rattle away weren't you? Bless! Everyone

> > was laughing at you....again.

>

> xxxxxx

>

> I think it's you who needs to grow up, judging by

> this post.

Sue, I think you'll find if you read DaveR's previous post to which I replied that my response matched the tone of his and was a response to it. Nothing quite like making a fool of yourself by coming into the middle of a tread wihout reading back, is there?

[helena handbasket]

I've read the whole thread, and frankly the more I read the more you just sound like a jacka$$. The rest sound like normal people with normal opinions.

At first I thought you were a boring old misogynist but now believe you just hate everyone, equally.

edit for spelling

[Cedges]

Crazy thought - maybe this should be an issue judged on a child by child, parent by parent, pub by pub, time of day by time of day basis and not with sweeping generalisations?

I said it before, I'll say it again, crazy eh.

:))

[Otta]

Can't make up my mind whether Damian is doing a bit of trolling, or if that is actually his personality.

[JimmyMc1311]

Oh dear...what have I started? Look guys, my comments were made because I have had so many nice afternoons and evenings spoiled by screaming children. If my partner and I are out in Lordship Lane, enjoying a couple of bottles of wine and a nice meal, is it too much to ask that we can enjoy this without toddlers running up to us, or kids screaming in our ears? If I wanted to be in a place where there were screaming children, I'd have gone to a fast food outlet, TGI's or Planet Hollywood.

My post was nothing against Mums and Dad's being in pubs. It was simply to ask them to hire a baby sitter if they are going out on the lash.

Do children and alcohol mix? Does anyone really think it's acceptable seeing a parent having a few glasses of wine then watch them steer their buggy out of the pub giggling and tripping because they've had a few?

I know that this post has caused a bit of controversy, but I feel so much better now that I've said my bit!

Cheers

(Hic)

[Damian H]

Interesting to note that it is fine for people like DaveR to issue insults against me and make provocative and offensive comments when I report an incident I observed in objective terms yet when I respond to him I am a jack@xss and a troll. Let's have a look at the respective posts on this thread. Me:

"I was recently in MPC on LL and there were two

> mothers in with prams and children. The two prams

> had been stowed in the narrow aisle by the seats

> in the window, meaning that five seats were

> completely unaccesible during the profitable

> lunch-time. The mothers obviously were sitting

> elsewhere and from what I could see while I was in

> looked like they were there for the duration.

>

The staff were commendably patient but I thought

> it selfish beyond belief of the mothers. MPC has

> perhaps 30 covers inside maximum and two mums were

> taking up about one third of their capacity for

> two adults and two kids at their busiest time of

> the day.

>

> That is the sort of attitude that leads to the

> OP."

Factual, measured, making a point consistent with the theme of the thread and no insults or derogatory terms.

>

> "I have yet to notice an attitude in ED that

> children are less than indulged and allowed to do

> as they please whenever and wherever they please.

> That, I think, is the experience that those who

> are 'intolerant' of children have noted and

> objected to, and this unrestrained indulgence at

> the expense of others would, I suspect, be much

> more likely to create self-entitled rioters with

> no concept of boundaries."

Exactly same qualities as the first post above, responding directly to a point made by another poster.

Let's look at DaveR's response:

"If you read carefully (go on , try!) you will find

> that the OP was complaining about children in pubs

> - places many people go in the hope that they are

> primarily catering for adults, what with the

> boozing, swearing etc. Not cafes, at lunchtime.

> I have some sympathy with the OP, but you are, as

> always, just making youself look ridiculous (in a

> purple-faced, ultra-indignant, yet somehow comical

> way).

Offensive, personally insulting and irrelevant to the issue under discussion.

Let's look at david_carnell's comment:

"Purple faced? I'd suggest purple headed. Like a womb ferret."

Personal, offensive and utterly irrelevant to the discussion.

Yet I am the j**kass and the troll???????? RIght!!!!!!

[edcam]

Those with kids will always get defensive, those without will always be pissed off that those with kids think they're more important. Tis the way of the world, so calm down people.

[Damian H]

edcam Wrote:

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> Those with kids will always get defensive, those

> without will always be pissed off that those with

> kids think they're more important. Tis the way of

> the world, so calm down people.

Edcam, if this was Facebook, I would have 'Liked' your post :-)

[thecaptain]

screaming kids and ugly mums = awful combo

[Damian H]

thecaptain Wrote:

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> screaming kids and ugly mums = awful combo

Here's betting that this overtly and intentionally offensive comment will attract less flak than my calm, objective posts.

[thecaptain]

Damian it wasnt intentional, it was merely an observation oldboy.

[????]

thecaptain Wrote:

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> screaming kids and ugly mums = awful combo

3/10 - you need to devolop your work.

[Damian H]

thecaptain Wrote:

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> Damian it wasnt intentional, it was merely an

> observation oldboy.

Skipper, not making a criticism of your decision to post your view - just observing that you will prolly get an easy ride whereas a more reasoned and argued post from myself seems to get the hornet's swarming. Ironic.

[thecaptain]

Dont take it personally Damo...but hasnt anyone noticed that East Dulwich has got the largest collection of ugly mums the world has ever seen?!?!....

I could be wrong?!?!?.

[Damian H]

Let me guess, Skipper, you are like one of those noble RAF pilot who makes a decoy run to draw off the flak while another pilot drops the bomb?

Personally, I think there are also a great many very attractive mothers in ED (some even beautiful) but that is not the issue for me.

[Otta]

Damian, you started calling people autistic, because they disagree with your viewpoint. That is offensive.

The fact that you may have been calm, not angry, is kind of worse, as it shows you really thought about what you said before saying it.

[Damian H]

Otta Wrote:

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> Damian, you started calling people autistic,

> because they disagree with your viewpoint. That is

> offensive.

>

> The fact that you may have been calm, not angry,

> is kind of worse, as it shows you really thought

> about what you said before saying it.

You are quite correct, Otta, I did say that - in response to offensive comments from DaveR. Perhaps you should re-read the thread and see who kicked off the trading insults. Very, very strange that you call me on that but make no criticism of DaveR and david_carnell who started flinging insults around before I responded in kind.

[Damian H]

Otta Wrote:

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> Damian, you started calling people autistic,

> because they disagree with your viewpoint. That is

> offensive.

>

> The fact that you may have been calm, not angry,

> is kind of worse, as it shows you really thought

> about what you said before saying it.

Oh, and I didn't call DaveR that because he disagreed with me - I said it because he had made a very patronising and insulting comment about my broadening the narrow confines of the OP.

I don't insult people because thy disagree with me - I discuss points of disagreement. But when the likes of DaveR et al attack and insult me when I express an opinion that differs fromtheirs I will defend myself in kind.

Perhaps a re-reading of the thread will show who was responsible for starting a trading of insults.

[thecaptain]

I myself was on the sharp end of Damian's literate, but being the awesome guy i am, I'm willing to forgive and forget the rough justice he inflicted on me.

[Damian H]

thecaptain Wrote:

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> I myself was on the sharp end of Damian's

> literate, but being the awesome guy i am, I'm

> willing to forgive and forget the rough justice he

> inflicted on me.

Being a military chap you are evidently able to take my savage verbal maulings with s atiff upper rather than running to mummy and saying "Damian's a nasty man, how dare he retaliate when I attack him!"

Captain, I salute you. If only some others realised that when you start throwing unprovoked insults around you might get a few coming back in your own direction and that's no-one's fault but your own :-)

It is really quite remarkable how some supposed adults can complain when people defend themselves against their attacks. It reminds me of the other thread on here about the mugger who tried to nick a guy's phone and then started complaining when he dropped his own and wasn't given it back.

[northlondoner]

Damian H Wrote:

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> > screaming kids and ugly mums = awful combo

>

> Here's betting that this overtly and intentionally

> offensive comment will attract less flak than my

> calm, objective posts.

Where are those ? I seem to have missed them .

[Damian H]

northlondoner Wrote:

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> Damian H Wrote:

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> > thecaptain Wrote:

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> > -----

> > > screaming kids and ugly mums = awful combo

> >

> > Here's betting that this overtly and

> intentionally

> > offensive comment will attract less flak than

> my

> > calm, objective posts.

>

> Where are those ? I seem to have missed them .

Well, open your eyes. Better idea - let me make it easy - find me an intemperate post from me on this thread PRIOR to me being insulted and attacked.

[Saila]

now now children - enough of the bickering. This is a public forum.

[louloulabelle]

Oh please. When will the good people of dulwich stop labelling each other particularly us mums. And for the record I will go where ever I please with my kids whenever it suits me. If I go somewhere and don't like the clientele I leave. Maybe others could try that option?

Can't see any of the pub landlords on here telling mums not to spend their hubbies money with them during the day and yes of course it's hubbies dosh. By definition being a SAHM means most of us don't have our own income as a joint decision with hubby as childcare is so expensive and bringing up your own child is a preference some of us make.

[Otta]

Just reread DaveR's post as requested.

I can confirm that it contained no insults.