Bus route 12

[ClareC]

Surely it's revenue not passengers.... If the majority of passengers on the bendy bus 12 didn't pay, the records must have shown the bus to be empty, rather than the reality of bursting at the seams and an unpleasant journey.

[the-e-dealer]

They cant measure by revenue. There are millions of travel card holders. They do head counts. I've done the job - a few years ago.

[ClareC]

the-e-dealer Wrote:

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> They cant measure by revenue. There are millions

> of travel card holders. They do head counts. I've

> done the job - a few years ago.

How do they count the heads? I had assumed it would be from touching in on the Oyster reader, ie paying.

[the-e-dealer]

Seen on Back of buses from a new 12 - "Lovely Shopping just a Bus ride away - Whiteleys - or East Dulwich for Delis" could be why E Dulwich is so full of families causing the rumpus on the other thread about Naughty Children!

[the-e-dealer]

Hang on its in Harrods! ??!! ??

http://www.harrods.com/content/visiting-the-store/restaurants/east-dulwich-deli/

[the-e-dealer]

Season Ticket Holders do not touch the Oyster reader. Counting can be done from the street. Tests by the Road Transport Research Labs in the 70s indicated that this was pretty accurate.

[treehugger]

My house doesn't shake any more as the bendy 12 goes past!!! Hurrah!

[intexasatthe moment]

Yup ,another unshaken house here .

Unless it's the rain we've had making the ground different .

[Sue]

TheArtfulDogger Wrote:

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>

> (* the mums and buggies who insist that they

> should take the wheelchair spaces despite the fact

> their is not enough room to swing a ticket

> inspector ! - however NOT all mums are that bad,

> just a handful)

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I think this is unfair.

If there aren't any wheelchair users on the bus, why shouldn't mums (and dads - who care for children too) take the spaces?

And if you've ever tried to fold a buggy up and then get two kids plus shopping (or whatever) onto a bus, and then try to get it all off and unfold it at the other end, you would know why parents tend to take the whole thing on.

I have struggled with a double buggy plus my granddaughters on and off buses in Oxford, and I have only ever found both drivers and fellow passengers to be helpful and polite. Just glad I have never had to do it round here :-S

Parents don't deliberately make things awkward for other passengers. They just sometimes have no choice as to how and when they make particular journeys.

ETA: And it makes a very stressful experience worse if you have to let bus after bus go by because you can't get the buggy on.

[ClareC]

Sue Wrote:

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> TheArtfulDogger Wrote:

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> >

> > (* the mums and buggies who insist that they

> > should take the wheelchair spaces despite the

> fact

> > their is not enough room to swing a ticket

> > inspector ! - however NOT all mums are that

> bad,

> > just a handful)

>

> xxxxxxxxx

>

> I think this is unfair.

>

> If there aren't any wheelchair users on the bus,

> why shouldn't mums (and dads - who care for

> children too) take the spaces?

>

> And if you've ever tried to fold a buggy up and

> then get two kids plus shopping (or whatever) onto

> a bus, and then try to get it all off and unfold

> it at the other end, you would know why parents

> tend to take the whole thing on.

>

> I have struggled with a double buggy plus my

> granddaughters on and off buses in Oxford, and I

> have only ever found both drivers and fellow

> passengers to be helpful and polite. Just glad I

> have never had to do it round here :-S

>

> Parents don't deliberately make things awkward for

> other passengers. They just sometimes have no

> choice as to how and when they make particular

> journeys.

>

> ETA: And it makes a very stressful experience

> worse if you have to let bus after bus go by

> because you can't get the buggy on.

Hear hear! Totally second that!

I have two under two and a double buggy, I avoid travelling by bus like the plague due mainly because the strong anti parent / anti children feeling shown on here.

On the one occasion I had no option but to travel on the bus, I actually felt quite concerned and apprehensive in anticipation. The reality was the ED people were friendly and helpful as is the reality when we are out and about walking. I can only assume the strong "anti" feelings published here on a daily basis is actually a very small minority who fortunately ive not encountered in the real world.

If I didn't already live in ED and know what a great place it is with its great community, having read a number of comments on here I would avoid the place on account of the unfriendliness and lack of tolerance of others.

[TheArtfulDogger]

sue and clarec

please don't class me as one of those child haters on here, I was referring to further down route when some (not from east Dulwich) mums used to push onto a bus with their buggies full of shopping and child towing behind, it has been my observation that these parents often force their way onto a bus where every inch of space is already taken twice over (by free riders) and rather then being polite they normally yell "MOVE"

I am sure you aren't that sort of mother !

[ibilly99]

Keep your kiddies off the bus or else they'll be travelling in one of these ....

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_P4xGiRBspE4/TTbznRlvchI/AAAAAAAAARU/fPfntjtR8sM/s1600/childcatcher-431x300.jpg

[LadyDeliah]

Getting to Peckham Rye Train station in the morning is now a nightmare on the 12 compared to how it ever was on the bendy bus.

[ultrauk]

Ibilly99 -D....LOL

[intexasatthe moment]

Getting to Peckham Rye Train station in the morning is now a nightmare on the 12 compared to how it ever was on the bendy bus.

in what way ?

[the-e-dealer]

2 * 12 = 24

Ever since the 12 increased in service the 24s have been very rare.

[Bic Basher]

spanglysteve Wrote:

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> yep, I got a 12 back from Peckham Rye Station

> tonight and I was pretty much the only person on

> it. Have also noticed that the 63 and 363 seem to

> be quieter now as well, perhaps the increased

> frequency is generally redistributing all traffic

I've also noticed slightly less passengers on the 197 which runs parallel to the 12 as far as the library.

[LadyDeliah]

intexasatthe moment Wrote:

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> Getting to Peckham Rye Train station in the

> morning is now a nightmare on the 12 compared to

> how it ever was on the bendy bus.

> in what way ?

It was really packed and a women with a buggy was stuck in the aisle because there wasn't enough room for people to move out of her way to get to the wheelchair bit, which made it difficult for people coming down the stairs. The bendy 12 was never as packed as that in the morning.

[Sue]

LadyDeliah Wrote:

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> intexasatthe moment Wrote:

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> > Getting to Peckham Rye Train station in the

> > morning is now a nightmare on the 12 compared

> to

> > how it ever was on the bendy bus.

> > in what way ?

>

>

> It was really packed and a women with a buggy was

> stuck in the aisle because there wasn't enough

> room for people to move out of her way to get to

> the wheelchair bit, which made it difficult for

> people coming down the stairs. The bendy 12 was

> never as packed as that in the morning.

xxxxxxx

Was it also packed upstairs?

Because I've often noticed that people jam up the downstairs on a double decker, particularly around the doors, when there are lots of empty seats upstairs.

[intexasatthe moment]

Ah ,I see .

Yes ,I have a feeling ( having used them with my mother in a wheelchair ) that the bendy buses do provide better space for wheelchairs and pushchairs than the double deckers .

Though I've always avoided peak times when the wheelchair is involved .

But have often seen people with pushchairs having to wait for another bendy bus at busy times so think this happens less because of design of bus and more a feature of rush hour .

[ilondoner]

Haiku - Commuters on the No 12 Bus

A peroxide blond

talking loudly on her phone,

she needs to tone down

[the-e-dealer]

Fortunately most of the time are on here moaning!

[treehugger]

Got on the 12 this morning at 8.45 at the bottom of Barry Rd. I had waited quite a long time and when it came downstairs was pretty full (only a few seats left). One buggy in place. When a second buggy arrived it took quite a lot of manoeuvring to get both sorted: not easy and one in at quite an angle. Respect to one of the mums who knew exactly the angles required... I got off at peckham rye, quite relived actually as I could imagine a bit of bus rage as it went down the route. I cannot imagine how things are coming home from then west end at 5.30 - 6 and would be interested to hear how commuters are getting on and their experiences compared to the BB. I cycle normally so luckily am spared. However, on the positive (and selfish) side, my house no lnger shakes as the BB's come hurtling down Bazza Rd.

[Twirly]

treehugger Wrote:

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I cannot imagine how things are coming home

> from then west end at 5.30 - 6 and would be

> interested to hear how commuters are getting on

> and their experiences compared to the BB.

I wonder how many people use the bus to commute the full route into the the West End during rush hour (at either end of the day)? If I was trying to get to/from work on it, I certainly wouldn't use it as you'd never be able to predict the timing on the way in. I'd have to allow an extra half hour in the morning in case the traffic was bad. When I worked in town (West End and then later the City) I'd get the bus to Peckham Rye station, then a train. More reliable.

Having said that, I've frequently taken the 12 all the way home when I've been out shopping of an evening, particularly when laden down with bags (but not since the double deckers were introduced). Even then, the bendies used to be very packed. And I've used it on the way in at weekends, or away from the peak periods (though there seems to be a constant peak period these days).

[the-e-dealer]

Bus is a lot cheaper. And for Me Barry Road to Leicester Square much more direct. But the BB 12 home was awful and scary.

Routemaster was fine as if you sat downstairs it was supervised.