Anyone else out of water??

[Northern Star]

Heber is closed...

[Jones]

Thanks!

[singalto]

Doesn?t Heber get water from the same source as the rest of the local area? The Harris primary school appears to be open.

[intexasatthe moment]

It's odd isn't it ,we're in Barry Rd and our water supply is and has been fine .

I'm not sure how it would help but I'm happy to offer water to anyone nearby who needs it ...

[Elphinstone's Army]

How is it that pubs restaurants cafes and shops appear to have been functioning from Saturday morning? is there a different supply to households and commercial premises? I cannot get through to Thames Water.

It is frustrating that we are not told the supply is diminishing or will cease, in order to fill kettles, flush toilets etc.

We are a household of four and only one of us had a shower this morning before cessation of supply. First up is the winner.

Whilst considering parents of babies, having to make up feeds and keep little ones clean and fresh, and elderly who possibly cannot carry bottles of water and would not know the supply was variable.

[Earl Aelfheah]

It's the lack of communication that annoys me. I signed up to the SMS service and didn't receive a single update / text. Water supply was OK yesterday and early this morning - then stopped. Apparently this is because they decided to flush the system, without warning, as everyone was getting ready for work. Genius.

[singalto]

I too signed up for SMS updates and have heard nothing. Not happy.

[uncleglen]

dbboy Wrote:

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> Hope this helps

>

> COUNCILLORS - YOU NEED TO GET ONTO THIS, LIKE

> NOWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW

It is WELL within the councillors' POWER to do something- after all every house that is turned into flats, every spare inch of ground that is now sporting a block of rabbit hutch dwellings ALL have to have planning permission from -yes-you've guessed it- a council employee. So it would follow that the Councillors would be able to STOP the ridiculous planning applications being 'waved' through...until the INFRASTRUCTURE is up to it...next it will be the houses around ED station when they supply the flats there- then it will be the area around Sylvester road after the post office development.....still Southwark council do not give a fig because TW is privatised and they will happily denigrate a private enterprise

[rendelharris]

uncleglen Wrote:

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> It is WELL within the councillors' POWER to do

> something- after all every house that is turned

> into flats, every spare inch of ground that is now

> sporting a block of rabbit hutch dwellings ALL

> have to have planning permission from -yes-you've

> guessed it- a council employee. So it would follow

> that the Councillors would be able to STOP the

> ridiculous planning applications being 'waved'

> through...until the INFRASTRUCTURE is up to

> it...next it will be the houses around ED station

> when they supply the flats there- then it will be

> the area around Sylvester road after the post

> office development.....still Southwark council do

> not give a fig because TW is privatised and they

> will happily denigrate a private enterprise

Extra demand lowers water pressure, genius, how does lower water pressure lead to burst pipes?

Hope everyone affected gets their supply back asap.

[intexasatthe moment]

How do we know that an increase in demand for water rather than an ageing and failing pipe network is causing leaks /bursts ?

[rendelharris]

intexasatthe moment Wrote:

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> How do we know that an increase in demand for

> water rather than an ageing and failing pipe

> network is causing leaks /bursts ?

We don't, but if a meteor crashed into earth uncleglen would say it was LABOUR Southwark Council's fault.

[Houseoflego]

It does seem a bit nuts to be blaming the councillors. Mind you I?m saying that just having had a lovely hot bath. Hope the water stays on this time!

[goosey-goosey]

Sounds like most people now have their water back. Phew! For a moment there, I thought Brexit had started early.

[dbboy]

It's not blaming councillors, rather to get them to act as our representatives, because that is what they are, to chase TW to get things fixed so the water is not off for three days.

[Abe_froeman]

I'd rather local government let Thames Water get on with fixing it (which they have done) and focused on getting their own house in order with stuff like rampant motorbike crime, stabbings, failing social care and selling off public housing to private developments and the absolutely chaotic public transport.

If they fixed any of these long term problems then they would have a leg to stand on accusing thames water of not doing enough in 24 hours.

[uncleglen]

rendelharris Wrote:

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> uncleglen Wrote:

> --------------------------------------------------

> -----

>

> > It is WELL within the councillors' POWER to do

> > something- after all every house that is turned

> > into flats, every spare inch of ground that is

> now

> > sporting a block of rabbit hutch dwellings ALL

> > have to have planning permission from

> -yes-you've

> > guessed it- a council employee. So it would

> follow

> > that the Councillors would be able to STOP the

> > ridiculous planning applications being 'waved'

> > through...until the INFRASTRUCTURE is up to

> > it...next it will be the houses around ED

> station

> > when they supply the flats there- then it will

> be

> > the area around Sylvester road after the post

> > office development.....still Southwark council

> do

> > not give a fig because TW is privatised and

> they

> > will happily denigrate a private enterprise

>

> Extra demand lowers water pressure, genius, how

> does lower water pressure lead to burst pipes?

>

> Hope everyone affected gets their supply back

> asap.

Oh Gawd...spelling it out...WHEN there are 3 flats in 1 house then the pressure has to be INCREASED to supply mains to every flat.....when we had the bad leak about 10 years ago and there were bowsers on every corner for over a week just after the schools went back in September the TW operative was measuring the height of the water as it came out of the main...he said they could not let it through until it was a particular height. AND since we are in a hilly area-the water has to be pumped at particularly high pressure....pipes burst

[rendelharris]

> Oh Gawd...spelling it out...WHEN there are 3 flats

> in 1 house then the pressure has to be INCREASED

> to supply mains to every flat.....when we had the

> bad leak about 10 years ago and there were bowsers

> on every corner for over a week just after the

> schools went back in September the TW operative

> was measuring the height of the water as it came

> out of the main...he said they could not let it

> through until it was a particular height. AND

> since we are in a hilly area-the water has to be

> pumped at particularly high pressure....pipes

> burst

Oh I see, so you believe that Thames Water deliberately allow pressures in their pipes beyond their tolerances which cause them to burst? I've often wondered what subject you teach/taught, and hope and pray you don't any more - I do hope it wasn't physics.

[Penguin68]

I had thought that most bursts were caused by (a) deterioration of iron pipework causing it to fail (and joints ditto) and (b) movement in the ground fracturing pipes - particularly of course in roads, where heavy (and 'bouncing' over humps) vehicles cause ground stresses. Additionally adverse weather (freezing) can damage pipework more, particularly where there are already minor leaks. I suppose normal delivery pressures could cause bursts where the pipework is already compromised - but not where pipework is intact. It is designed for high pressure to allow water to move to the top of buildings and on hills. One problem appears to be the back-fill on road works is frequently not so effective as to provide proper support and cushioning for water pipes - hence possibly problems re-occuring at the same point - like London Road as it heads into Forest Hill, and the almost constant leak at the junction of Overhill with Lordship lane.

[Willard]

The government and the water companies all need their feet held to the fire IMO.

https://www.gre.ac.uk/about-us/news/articles/2017/privatised-water-failure

The report shows that increases in our bills since privatisation are not due to increased investment but due to the water companies saddling themselves with debt in order to pay out dividends to shareholders. Welcome to the big neoliberal lie - that privatisation returns increased competition, efficiency and value for the customer. What's that sound you hear trickling down? Is it wealth? No, its another burst water main.

"This report clearly shows that the high prices and high debts of the English water companies are not due to high investments. The companies could have funded all of their operations and investments from customer bills, without taking on any debt whatsoever. The ?47 billion of debt, and the interest we pay on it, is simply down to a systematic extraction of shareholder payouts far in excess of any available cash surplus.

"This system is not sustainable and seriously disadvantages consumers. They have not been helped by a fog of misleading statements by both water companies and the regulator OFWAT. The report further strengthens the case for taking water back into public ownership with strong democratic oversight, as in most European countries."

[intexasatthe moment]

Pretty poor customer services from TW all round - on another matter ( noisy manhole covers ) they have contradicted themselves and refused to discuss more than one cover .