Fair play parking?

[spanglysteve]

Miacis Wrote:

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> @spangly - so if I want to sit down I need to

> clamber over you??

Of course not, when people walk past I offer the seat next to me and stand up to let you in. To be honest it's not something I really thought about much before but I do kinda see your point so I'll make a vow now to not automatically occupy the aisle seat (I'm being honest here not sarcastic), I feel kinda embarrassed that I was breaking some sort of known bus code. I honestly just never considered it.

[peterstorm1985]

Completely off thread but to add to spanglysteve's comment; it may not be fair to be too critical of all those who occupy the aisle seat when the window-seat is free. I sometimes choose the aisle seat if I've got a heavy bag as it's really difficult to extricate yourself from the window-seat if the person who sits down next to you only swings their legs to one side when you want to get out, rather than standing up to let you leave. Might be fine when you're young and fit but later on you need a bit more space to negotiate an exit.

[Earl Aelfheah]

I have no problem with someone choosing an isle seat. I have never experienced anyone failing to stand and let another by in order to take the window seat next to them. I have more of an issue with people who on a full train, use a seat for bags etc. There is a parcel shelf if you don't wish to place your bag on the floor / your lap. Someone shouldn't have to ask you to remove your belongings from a valuable seat in rush hour.

[Alan Medic]

treehugger Wrote:

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> It's late and I've had a glass of wine or two but

> I'm hoping I'm not being presumptuous in asking

> what part of Ireland Miacle is from....

Would you care to explain what you mean?

[James Barber]

I suspect the red ugly vans will be changed in the New Year for newer ugly vans tar conform to te emissions legislation but I doubt the problem will go away.

They clearly have a business model of battered old vans with graffiti style advertising on them and clearly this advertising works else they'd have stopped years ago.

[DulwichDeviant]

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[Sue]

Loz Wrote:

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> Southwark council has 63 councillors.

> Approximately 21 of these councillors represent

> areas that the East Dulwich Forum covers. Exactly

> one of those councillors comes onto the EDF

> regularly to listen to our concerns and opinions.

> That councillor is James Barber.

>

> For this he deserves a lot better than some of the

> rude and snide comments he receives on this

> forum.

>

xxxxxxx

Agreed. Leads you to wonder quite what agendas some people have.

[TonyQuinn]

In defence of my and other comments. Mr Barber is a big boy, he's in a party that's in government, and has to deal with the repurcussions of joining the Tories in said government. This government has made many many decisions that impact upon one's daily life. It's really up to you whether you think it's a good government or not. Mr Barber, as our link to said government, has to accept the rough with the smooth. For good measure, I wish you Mr Barber, fun times over Christmas. You certainly seemed a reasonable fellow when knocking on my door.

[Cyclemonkey]

i'm with James here a CPZ would help you as residents would get parkign permits! I understand people objections to them but as a non driver i am astonished how many people probably drive to LL to shop who don't need to really - it's just becuase it's easier - ever tried cyclign along LL on a Saturday with all the parking and manoevering that goes on along a very busy road - i was nearly taken out last week by soemone tryign to reverse out into the road by the CO OP in a vehicle more suited for the prairies of America than a small inner london suburb. i know some people do need cars for their lifestyles but seriously some people moaning about parking fines, traffic and parking need to ahev a word with themselves and be honest about whether they really need to use their car as much in what is a very crowded inner London suburb with really quite good public transport.

[DulwichDeviant]

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[Cyclemonkey]

Oh i would agree with you there!! there are many many bad road users in London - motorists, bus driver, cyclists and pedestrians! I am just amused that many motorists in London are the cause of the very problems they compalina bout eg congestion, lack of parking etc.. etc..

[DulwichDeviant]

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[Chippy Minton]

Exactly one of those councillors comes onto the EDF regularly to listen to our concerns and opinions. That councillor is James Barber.

Wrong! Renata Hamvas is on here regularly and Victoria Mills and Gavin Edwards all post here in their capacity as local councillors.

With regard to agendas, James, Renata, Victoria, Gavin (and our MP Tessa Jowell who posts on here) are all elected representatives of political parties and, as such, all have agendas!

[PipD]

Cyclemonkey, what's wrong with doing things because they are easier? :))

Cyclemonkey Wrote:

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> i'm with James here a CPZ would help you as

> residents would get parkign permits! I understand

> people objections to them but as a non driver i am

> astonished how many people probably drive to LL to

> shop who don't need to really - it's just becuase

> it's easier - ever tried cyclign along LL on a

> Saturday with all the parking and manoevering that

> goes on along a very busy road - i was nearly

> taken out last week by soemone tryign to reverse

> out into the road by the CO OP in a vehicle more

> suited for the prairies of America than a small

> inner london suburb. i know some people do need

> cars for their lifestyles but seriously some

> people moaning about parking fines, traffic and

> parking need to ahev a word with themselves and be

> honest about whether they really need to use their

> car as much in what is a very crowded inner London

> suburb with really quite good public transport.

[Gimme]

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> And make all cyclists pass test and hold a

> licence. A lot cyclists have no idea how much room

> a large van needs to turn.

Totally agree about cyclists not knowing how much room a van needs to turn. I was amazed how much of the road a stationary white van needed one day a year or so ago when he suddenly accelerated and turned sharp right, without looking or indicating, as I was overtaking him. But not sure how a cycling test would have saved me from that broken elbow, quite frankly...

[DulwichDeviant]

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[Miacis]

@cyclemonkey - a CPZ is not the answer (and Please James B don't get ideas into your head!)- this was not fair play parking which has now been sorted out. We don't use our car for local journeys except when carrying shopping or where there are no bus routes (eg to West Dulwich or Crystal Palace).

As for cyclists - bit like car drivers - there are good and bad. Just they are more vulnerable and need to make themselves as visible as possible at night.

[Gimme]

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> Your clearly looking to pick an arguement.

Sorry mate! Is it just you who can have a point of view? Or are others allowed one?

What is the point harping on about regulating cyclists when 1) it is not practical or feasible 2) most accidents are caused by vehicles not cyclists and 3) the authorities can't even regulate the use of mobile phones while driving.

[DulwichDeviant]

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[Gimme]

Indeed! Merry Xmas!