Parking ticket in a loading bay on LL

[karen1]

Has anyone else challenged getting a ticket for being in the loading bay ouside Dulwich DIY ?

Last week I received a PCN for being in a bus lane before 10 am ,after which restrictions are lifted.

I didn't drive down the bus lane ,I just entered the section which was marked off as loading,but it is

before the sign saying that 'bus lane ends'. There are two poles next to the loading bay ,but they don't

have any signs on them to say that there is any time restrictions on loading. I have challenged the notice,

stating these facts but they have rejected it.The guys in Dulwich DIY told me im the 6th person yhey know of

that has been fined for this offence.

Should I challenge this again or just pay up in case they double the fine to ?130, does anyone know if I

have a case?

[David A]

I think it depends on how long you were there. You've got five minutes to start loading up, I believe, and twenty minutes to finish.

Anything over that and you're 'shopping'.

[Fuschia]

No that's not the definition of loading, which requires you to have already paid for the goods in question and just be collecting.

http://www.ticketfighter.co.uk/parking.htm#loading

However, the offence was probably being in the bus lane. I fear that the bus lane times and markings have precedence here.

[David A]

I didn't try to define 'loading', simply the time restrictions on it.

From the TFL website:

Loading time

Restricted to either 20 or 40 minutes depending on location. If no loading or unloading is noted after a five minute period, you may be issued with a Penalty Charge Notice (PCN).

ETA: I agree that the bus lane probably over-rides the loading bay. I wouldn't take Southwark/Apcoa on over it unless there were signs specifically saying it didn't.

[blackadder]

The loading bay question is irrelevant.

The alledged contravention is being in a bus lane(moving traffic offence?)

I presume the bus lane restrictions is 7-10 am.

[Salsaboy]

OP, what offence does it specifically say on the PCN?

[blackadder]

Salsaboy Wrote:

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> OP, what offence does it specifically say on the

> PCN?

karen1 Wrote:

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> Has anyone else challenged getting a ticket for

> being in the loading bay ouside Dulwich DIY ?

> Last week I received a PCN for being in a bus lane

> before 10 am ,after which restrictions are

> lifted.

[Salsaboy]

AH yes! Not a lot you can do then as it looks like you were caught red-handed. Bummer.

[jonny vantastic]

Since there is no sign stating the terms of loading times, I would challenge it and say you were loading or unloading. They cannot prove the terms of loading or unloading. Thre is a similar one outside snockers restaurant in clapham junction (albeit not a bus lane) but I once received a pcn for parking longer than 20 minutes 'with no activity seen of loading or unloading', challenged it and at a tribunal I asked them to produce photographic evidence of the terms of unloading/ loading, they couldn't and it was reversed.

[the-e-dealer]

Originally the bus lanes were to be in force all day, however we managed to persuade LT they didnt need that. The intention IS to ban parking in bus lanes up to 10am.

[Louisa]

Clear and simple case. The contravention was more than likely because you had crossed into the bus lane outside of the specified times; it sounds as though the issue of loading isn't relevant in this case.

Louisa.

[karen1]

James Barber ,the councillor,has contacted me and is taking up the case with Soutwark Parking

as he has looked at the site and feels that the ticket was unfairly issued.I will let you

know the outcome.

[Sails]

Try this guy he is good got me off some tickets.

Barrie Segal http://www.appealnow.com/