What has happened to my ED!!

[CrystalClear]

I rather like East Dulwich.

[Keef]

Yes we know, is that why you won't get lost? ;-) Beer tonight?

[capt_birdseye]

CrystalClear Wrote:

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> I rather like East Dulwich.

It was much nicer before they built all the houses in the 19th Century.

[CrystalClear]

yes, destroying all that green belt to house the workers, disgraceful. Pull it down I say, pull it all down. I've seen a very nice three person teepee and I have a beard, hippydom here I come!

[Huguenot]

Ah yes Crystal, but look at what we have lost:

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The Magdala - welcoming, warming, cared for and inclusive

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The Foresters - charming, charismatic, warm hearted and accessible to all

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The Palmerston - inviting, well-lit, thoughtfully decorated and a pillar of the community

[capt_birdseye]

The Plough was much better in my day:

http://www.lordshiplane.co.uk/oldpics/plough.gif

[CrystalClear]

I do find it odd that people are so entrenched in their divisions over East Dulwich, fight ther progress and viva progress as it were....

I've lived here for five years, and first came here about ten years ago, well, nine, and, honestly, I do think its changed for the better. Yes, I could buy a roast in the Forresters or Palmerstone for a fiver, but it was never pleasant (reserved only for Sundays of abject hangover pain), and whilst I may not like all the bars on LL, I do like having the choice, and they make a nice change from the CPT (though I would never cheat on her!). I also like having the choice of shops on my doorstep (both the supermarkets and the smaller reatailers), I don't have a car and they are convienent and offer a good range of food, and stuff (as a 28 year old beer drinker I don't really get the stuff shops, but others obviously do and I'm happy tp have them around). For what its worth I think the butchers is great value for money, and moxons may change my attitude to fish - to eat it while we have it!

Having said this, its not really the shops and bars that I like about ED. I'm not a house owner either (and doubt I will be around here), so making money from the area doesn't really bother me. I've found ED a great place to meet people and make friends, I think it has a great sense of community (there's an awful lot to get involved in should one wish too) and that's my main reason for liking it, everything else is just a bonus. (I also think this is what makes it different from Clapham, I imagine that C's far to big to have this).

[CrystalClear]

I did prefer the old Magda's interior.....

[mockney piers]

Wood? Luxury, in my day...

 

[CrystalClear]

Oi - that's my cave, git awfff moi land!!! I'm buuilding East Dulwich on that I am.

[capt_birdseye]

You should have been here in the Ice Age, those were the days. Organic mammoth on your doorstep, Iced mammoth Frapuccinos and ethnic mammoth cushions.

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[clare]

Bzzzzzzz..........is this all deviation or just very enjoyable repetition ????

[Jeremy]

CrystalClear Wrote:

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> I did prefer the old Magda's interior.....

I did actually prefer the old Mag... admittedly it was rather tatty... but it had a certain charm, and it was great to have a good comedy club on your doorstep. I never go in there now, apart from the occasional quiz night.

[Keef]

The bookcase wallpaper above the bar in the old Magdalla was fantastic!!!! :-S

You're right Crystal, When I came back to Dulwich, I'd lost touch with a lot of old friends, and more than half of the people I consider good friends now, are people that I've met in the area.... Well the CPT to be honest! You sir being amongst them :)-D

[Guest]

Huguenot

Peckham was actually a really nice place back in the day and it was gentrified. The Peckham of today is what ED will be soon. Show's how much you know...good old stereotypes..

LoL

Joe

Shaaaaadaaap again. You're talking rif raf once again. Keep a lid on it. Over.

[CrystalClear]

It was good having the comedy in ED, a nice way to spend a sunday evening.

[Keef]

The comedy is now at The Hob in Forest Hill. The pub itself was taken over by Ron & Emma who run the EDComedy. I've not actually been in there yet, but Ron tells me they have live music as well, and it's quite lively. It's not exactly the far away, so nip up the hill and support it.

[Keef]

By the way, The Hob is the one opposite the train station, as the pavement climbs around the corner.

[SimonM]

>>SimonM - How can you compare a Deli with a Second Hand / Charity shop in terms of success?>>

I was not actually intending to compare the two "businesses" in terms of their respective success - but can see now how it might read that way - more in their respective "fittingness" for the area.

I don't think the charity/2nd hand pushchair shop ever had a permanent lease anyway - and was only intended to be there temporarily. (In this context though it is perhaps worth giving a nod to one of the longest lasting retail outlets in the area - the "Mind" shop on Grove Vale.)

Other delis had tried and failed on Lordship Lane before, so it was nice to see the East Dulwich Deli get thinsgs right, although I seem to remember it began life as an "Italian Deli" with a windowful of pasta and tomatoes and very little else :))

[SimonM]

>>What scares me is when the real chain stores like Tesco, Weatherspoons and Starbucks try and come to town.<<

Umm...hate to be the bearer of bad news but we already have two out of those three (ok the Starvucks is closed for the moment whilst Sainsbury's "refurbished"). And Weatherspoons has reached Forest Hill.......

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[Huguenot]

Hmm, Jockey old chap I think you've got Peckham mixed up with somewhere else?

Peckham could have been regarded as wealthy residential from the 16th century to the early 19th century, somewhat young and professional from the mid 19th to early 20th century, but to the end of that period was already regarded as sufficently deprived to become the focus for trials in social engineering (e.g. The Peckham Experiment).

Along with the spirit of the age that saw the Elephant getting razed, in the 1960s the local council threw up high rise concrete blocks with elevated walkways dreaming of Jetsons-esque modernism. The scheme provided incentives for major retailers (chain stores?) such as John Lewis to come to the area to sustain the illusion.

In fact within two decades the dream had collapsed, most major chain stores had left, and those that remain still struggle to survive. The Jetsons dreamscape had transformed into a nightmare of sink estates, deprivation, drung dealing and violence.

If anything we had reverse gentrification over the last 400 years in Peckham.

It could be well argued that the EU sponsored Bellenden regeneration project is a gentrification wolf in lamb's clothing (if you feel that way about it), but this is barely making headway and shops are closing there faster than opening. There are no chain stores there.

So I'm afraid the reality doesn't bear out your prejudice.

[OldTimer]

Huguenot Wrote:

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drung dealing

= selling shit ????

lol

[capt_birdseye]

Surely that's dung?

[Huguenot]

Isn't it in the Clockwork Orange? :-$ Pesky modern jargon.