Ultra Low Emission Zone ? extension of scheme October 2021

[kford]

Allowing 15-year-old black cabs to continue is pathetic. I regularly follow 53/04/54 plate cabs belching out soot.

[goldilocks]

Totally agree re the black cabs point - they are driving around continually and claims such as 'all new cabs licensed have to meet the standard' misses the point It shows how strong the cabbie lobby is though!

To be clear - i'm in favour of measures to reduce pollution, so would prefer the ULEZ to go further in its application rather than be scrapped on account of its failings

[ed_pete]

kford Wrote:

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> Allowing 15-year-old black cabs to continue is

> pathetic. I regularly follow 53/04/54 plate cabs

> belching out soot.

Someone made an FOI request a few years ago asking TfL of the average age of black taxis. Less than 7% were 15 years old. 50% were between 7 and 8 years old.

https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/spread_of_ages_of_londons_black

[natty01295]

Motorcycles,Scooter Riders Moped Riders should be Exempt

[cella]

Why?

[natty01295]

Because they count for a small percentage of vehicles on the road

Its just a money making scheme

[Penguin68]

Because they count for a small percentage of vehicles on the road And clearly Rolls Royce's and Bentley's should also be excluded for the same reasons.

[ed_pete]

natty01295 Wrote:

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> Because they count for a small percentage of

> vehicles on the road

> Its just a money making scheme

Making money for whom exactly ?

[nxjen]

When did dismissing something as ?just a money making scheme? become a reason for it not to be valid?

[natty01295]

People are losing there jobs over this

People have to buy expensive vans they cant afford

* Its is just punishing people who use the road

Punishing the drivers

And BIKERS

nxjen Wrote:

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> When did dismissing something as ?just a money

> making scheme? become a reason for it not to be

> valid?

[KidKruger]

Does anybody know if Park Lane and the route from Vauxhall to Edgeware is exempt from the ULEZ charge or not?

This is the case I believe for congestion so I was wondering if it is the same for ULEZ.

[Loutwo]

KidKruger Wrote:

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> Does anybody know if Park Lane and the route from

> Vauxhall to Edgeware is exempt from the ULEZ

> charge or not?

> This is the case I believe for congestion so I was

> wondering if it is the same for ULEZ.

ULEZ follows the same mapped route as the congestion zone. So Vauxhall/Park Lane/ Edgware Road all remain outside the ULEZ and therefore are exempt. Which makes sense when you consider this is the main route from south London up towards the M1 and north.

Louisa.

[Willard]

cella Wrote:

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> Why?

Because they help ease congestion and hence already alleviate pollution.

It is hard to take this scheme seriously when disgusting noxious old black cabs are allowed to continue to pollute. I had to walk through the Euston station underground car park recently, past a line of 50 odd black cabs waiting for customers. All just sat there with their engines idling. I had to put my jumper over my mouth to stop myself being sick.

[KidKruger]

Thanks LouTwo

[natty01295]

Why / Motorcycles Bikers???

Come on tell me

Small percentage on the road

Its Mostly all cars on the road So why bikers???

[stephent]

Black cabs are highly regulated, and drivers have almost no choice in the vehicle they buy, so it makes sense these are outside the ULEZ scheme.

There is a separate scheme already in place to modernise the black cab fleet (indeed for new cabs the emission requirements are much stricter than ULEZ).

Willard Wrote:

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> cella Wrote:

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> > Why?

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>

> Because they help ease congestion and hence

> already alleviate pollution.

>

> It is hard to take this scheme seriously when

> disgusting noxious old black cabs are allowed to

> continue to pollute. I had to walk through the

> Euston station underground car park recently, past

> a line of 50 odd black cabs waiting for customers.

> All just sat there with their engines idling. I

> had to put my jumper over my mouth to stop myself

> being sick.

[christgill]

Sorry if it's been mentioned before, but cul-de-sacs off the wrong side of the south circular may become expensive car parks.

Residents of Allison Grove and Ryecotes Mead are potentially looking forward to driving 20 yards out of their road, spending a whole day driving outside the ULEZ and then returning home to find that those last few yards have cost them ?12.50.

[exdulwicher]

Well currently theres a whole list of exemptions for residents etc:

https://tfl.gov.uk/modes/driving/ultra-low-emission-zone/discounts-and-exemptions?intcmp=52218

So perhaps when it's extended in Octover there'll be a similar grace period covering the new zones?

Its just a money making scheme

Good. If TfL are making money, that means it can be reinvested in better public transport and more cycle lanes and if ULEZ / congestion charging is keeping private cars off the roads then the roads will be quieter and easier to get around on anyway.

[James Barber]

ULEZ area is free for petrol cars built 2006 or later, and diesels 2015 or later. So not exactly restricted to new cars and vans, etc.

Circa half the particulates come from non engine related activity - clutch use, brakes, etc.

The ULEZ will also mean those living in the Congestion Charging Zone will finally have an incentive to consider their car use - they currently receive 90% discount on CCZ fees.

[Tractorlad]

James Barber Wrote:

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> ULEZ area is free for petrol cars built 2006 or

> later, and diesels 2012 or later. So not exactly

> restricted to new cars and vans, etc.

> Circa half the particulates come from non engine

> related activity - clutch use, brakes, etc.

> The ULEZ will also mean those living in the

> Congestion Charging Zone will finally have an

> incentive to consider their car use - they

> currently receive 90% discount on CCZ fees.

Hi James. My diesel car was registered in July 2013 but sadly falls into the charging. I'm not sure where the 2012 information came from?

[bobbsy]

It's basically 2016 and later for Diesel vehicles - Euro 6 standard. If your car doesn't take "ad-blue" then it's probably not compliant.

[Earl Aelfheah]

Willard Wrote:

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> cella Wrote:

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> > Why?

>

>

> Because they help ease congestion and hence

> already alleviate pollution.

>

> It is hard to take this scheme seriously when

> disgusting noxious old black cabs are allowed to

> continue to pollute. I had to walk through the

> Euston station underground car park recently, past

> a line of 50 odd black cabs waiting for customers.

> All just sat there with their engines idling. I

> had to put my jumper over my mouth to stop myself

> being sick.

I can't believe that Black Cabs have been exempted - they're heavily polluting and drive around all day looking for fares, or sit with their engines idling. They must make up a significant percentage of the pollution in Central London.

[natty01295]

Motorcycles,Motor Scooters

Don't get stuck in traffic like Cars do !!

[Sally Eva]

I don't understand the relevance of this.

natty01295 Wrote:

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> Motorcycles,Motor Scooters

> Don't get stuck in traffic like Cars do !!

[natty01295]

Because they free up traffic therefore should be Exempt from ULEZ

Sally Eva Wrote:

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> I don't understand the relevance of this.

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> natty01295 Wrote:

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> > Motorcycles,Motor Scooters

> > Don't get stuck in traffic like Cars do !!