Polish cleaners

[Brendan]

You know what, as long as they build us a railway or two and teach us the rules of handball before they leave, I?m fine with it.

[Chick]

Huguenot Wrote:

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> As a Polish national she would need to have worked

> full time for 12 months and be actively looking

> for work to claim income support.

>

> If she has resigned in order to claim income

> support then legally she's a benefit fraudster.

>

> However, I think this overlooks the central tenet

> of the OP, which is insinuating that foreginers

> are coming to UK to be parasites on our welfare

> state and steal money from British people.

>

> People should be reassured to discover that around

> 20% of Brits claim income support fo some kind -

> whereas only 6% of foreigners do.

>

> So the Brits are more likely to be benefit

> parasites than Polish housemaids.

The biggest benefit parasites in this country are your mates the German sausage munching royal family.

[Loz]

Chick Wrote:

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> The biggest benefit parasites in this country are your mates the German sausage munching royal family.

Overlooking the casual racism, have you actually done a cost/benefit analysis of that? Don't forget to take into account tourism, business goodwill and the cost of replacing the monarchy with an alternative head of state.

As an example, take the recent royal wedding - it has been estimated that the wedding generated a ?620m consumer spending boost. Plus it reached, it is estimated, a worldwide viewing audience of about two billion people, not to mention front page news on countless newspapers and magazines. What would a tourism advertising campaign have to spend to get that sort of reach? It wouldn't be to hard to show that, whatever the cost to the taxpayer of the wedding, it has more than paid for itself.

I believe the total cost of the monarchy, including support staff and other costs is less than ?50m per year. You don't get much of a government department for ?50m - I suspect the costs for any replacement President would exceed that quite easily.

So - any figures to back up that assertion, chick?

[Chippy Minton]

Tricky one to calculate this. Here's one attempt:

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And in the interests of balance:

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[Chick]

No racism intended. And I think you have pulled your figures out of a hat.

[El Pibe]

"The biggest benefit parasites in this country are":

Vodafone

Google

HSBC

Barclays

[Loz]

Chick Wrote:

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> No racism intended. And I think you have pulled your figures out of a hat.

I didn't have time before, but here's some links...

As an example, take the recent royal wedding - it has been estimated that the wedding generated a ?620m consumer spending boost. Plus it reached, it is estimated, a worldwide viewing audience of about two billion people, not to mention front page news on countless newspapers and magazines. What would a tourism advertising campaign have to spend to get that sort of reach? It wouldn't be to hard to show that, whatever the cost to the taxpayer of the wedding, it has more than paid for itself.

I believe the total cost of the monarchy, including support staff and other costs is less than ?50m per year. You don't get much of a government department for ?50m - I suspect the costs for any replacement President would exceed that quite easily.

So - any figures to back up your assertion, chick? Hmmm? Or have you just pulled your prejudices out of hat?

[Chick]

Whats this Loz, because it's on the internet it must be true. I have no prejudices just opinions. I cant really be bothered any more. Bye

[Loz]

Oh dear. When called out to back up his racist and silly comment he runs away.

Byeee. Don't let the door hit you on the a*** on the way out.

[Huguenot]

*chuckles*

[Chick]

How is it racist by the way? I can?t be bothered arguing stats with you. You are obviously a royalist and arguing stats with you is as pointless as arguing faith with a believer. Watch the second video above but it wont change your opinion.

[Chippy Minton]

It's degrogatory, but it's an "acceptable" joke isn't it? It paraphrases Johnson in Peep Show (sausage-munching Boche) and draws on The Simpsons (cheese-eating surrender monkeys).

[El Pibe]

I'm inclined to agree that we're pushing the ol' racism sensitivities a bit far getting worked up about froggies or the Hun. It's usually meant as light hearted ribbing or tongue in cheek.

I guess I get the zero tolerance give them an inch and they'll take a mile approach to racism, but in reality I think it undermines the real issues and gives rise to the dreaded cry of 'It's political correctness gone maaaaaaad'.

I might take slight umbrage if you describe me as a lazy dago though (which one of my teachers did thinking about it....though I was pretty lazy at school) but I won't take it to heart ;-)

[Chick]

Sorry, didn?t mean to be derogatory to anyone.

[????]

it's PC gone maaaaaaaaaaaaaaad you lazy dago :)

[Loz]

OK, I did say 'casual racism' originally, and it was on the lower end of the scale (if there is one). Still a bit unnecessary though and used to back up and emphasise a hatred.

Doesn't overlook the fact that you made a lame comment, refused to back it up and ran away when pressed, though.

And funnily enough, I'm not a 'royalist' as such. In fact, I'm a bit split on the whole matter. Being a dual-nat Australian/British I think the royals are rather good for the UK, but completely irrelevant to Australia.

So, come on, chick, let's have a debate. You don't need stats and such - give us a bit more information about why the royals are 'parasites', given that a parasite, according to Google, is "a person who habitually relies on or exploits others and gives nothing in return." Start with the Queen: does she do nothing for the UK?

[Chick]

I really cant be bothered but will gladly meet you for a beer and debate??????

[Brendan]

Can we have less of the flippantly pejorative language please? It?s not the 1990s anymore. You can?t just say ?PC this? and ?PC that?.

We prefer, Progressive Orthodoxy of offset Offensiveness.

POO if you must.

Racists!

[Chick]

Loz I cant be bothered typing but will gladly meet for a beer. I never said parasites, your word. A rainy bank holiday Monday is a good time to go to the pub. I'll pm my number.

[steveo]

Yes, but what I want to know is, if a million EU residents decided to move to London and somehow were able to get benefits, does the UK tax payer foot the bill?

[Huguenot]

Let's put it this way Steve.

You've probably invited people over to your house for dinner. You may not have known everyone, there might have been associated girlfriends or boyfriends, or simply hangers-on. They might even, at your invitation, used the loo.

It would take considerable daftness to assume that as a consequence you had an open door policy to people you didn't know coming in your house, raiding your fridge and using your shitter.

That's what you've done there. It's called reductio ad absurdum.

You've taken a perfectly reasonable swing door policy that works as well for Brits who want to retire in Spain as it does for French people who want to work in coffee shops, and constrcuted a ridiculous scenario where soap dodgers are coming in their millions to steal from your wallet.

Pack it in, it's boring.

[Chick]

Huguenot Wrote:

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> Let's put it this way Steve.

>

> You've probably invited people over to your house

> for dinner. You may not have known everyone, there

> might have been associated girlfriends or

> boyfriends, or simply hangers-on. They might even,

> at your invitation, used the loo.

>

> It would take considerable daftness to assume that

> as a consequence you had an open door policy to

> people you didn't know coming in your house,

> raiding your fridge and using your shitter.

>

> That's what you've done there. It's called

> reductio ad absurdum.

>

> You've taken a perfectly reasonable swing door

> policy that works as well for Brits who want to

> retire in Spain as it does for French people who

> want to work in coffee shops, and constrcuted a

> ridiculous scenario where soap dodgers are coming

> in their millions to steal from your wallet.

>

> Pack it in, it's boring.

Well said.

[steveo]

OK Huge, you're the boss

[Captain Scarlet]

The Poles I have met have been hard working decent people,I have had repairs done to my house by a Polish Builder

I was given a quote for the work and a time period for completion.No problems whatsoever!

Afraid I cannot say the same for Uk Builder I had used before! ripped off and cheated.

My mother inlaw used to have a Polish Cleaner also, who was a really helpfull and put herself out of her way

to help......So I do not have any problems for a cleaner to use our welfare system! makes a change from the scroungers

and Welfare fiddlers.

[rocklineuk]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2011/jun/13/clampdown-uk-benefits-foreign-nationals ???