Revised new - M&S planning application to replace Iceland..

[first mate]

Just going back to the flats and offices issue and the chronology of the development. How is it that the developer was able so easily to do a u turn on the 8 flats proposal by re-applying to get work units instead? I had always thought change of use was a big thing? Additionally, there is a clear need for affordable housing and the developer had already argued for the first change of use from offices to get the application for 8 flats through?

In short, the developer was allowed to flip flop between changes of use twice over.

Please also note that at the time the second change of use from flats to work units was passed by planning, the second floor was inhabited by two families living in flats. How on earth did Southwark Planning miss that..we evict tenants to make way for offices for which the developer argued hard there is no demand?

[first mate]

I dug around and remembered this. Does this have any bearing on the M&S desire to open earlier? Perhaps James Barber would know?

James Barber Wrote:

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> Marks and Sparks have also made a licensing

> application.

> they wish to sell alcohol 6am-midnight 7 days a

> week.

>

> BUT the site only has planing permission to

> operate as a shop Mon-Sat 7am-10pm & 10am-6pm

> Sundays and Bank holidays.

>

> You can see the application here -

> http://app.southwark.gov.uk/licensing/LicPremisesA

> ppliedDetails.asp?systemkey=851512

>

> You can tell council licensing officers by 31

> March 2016 whether you support or oppose such

> opening hours via [email protected] and

> please copy me so I can see how things are going.

[Abe_froeman]

Ugh. Reminded of what a farce this whole thing has been.

I wonder if southwark is now too big and complex for the council to manage this sort of thing competently any more and if there should not now be a new independent london borough of dulwich and peckham and the north of the borough can keep the current team in tooley street?

[Abe_froeman]

I am though mildly amused by the second response to this thread, almost five years ago to the day...

: M&S planning application to replace Iceland

Posted by first mate 09 May, 2012 08:39

This could have a huge impact on Chesterfield, Ashbourne and Melbourne Grove parking, and not in a good way. The carwash puts enough pressure on the street as it is. If this development goes ahead it'd open things up for the CPZ lobby all over again.

The other point is for a large shop like M&S where is the loading on and off lorries going to happen and what are the access points? Iceland juggernauts already cause enough of a problem; resident walls as well as cars have been badly damaged over the years.

The development looks to be huge too. If there are any architects around could they say how much higher than the existing structure the proposed development is?

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[Bic Basher]

Abe_froeman Wrote:

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> Ugh. Reminded of what a farce this whole thing has

> been.

>

> I wonder if southwark is now too big and complex

> for the council to manage this sort of thing

> competently any more and if there should not now

> be a new independent london borough of dulwich and

> peckham and the north of the borough can keep the

> current team in tooley street?

Pre 1965, there was a Borough of Camberwell which consisted of Dulwich, Peckham and Camberwell with the town hall in Peckham Road, which was Southwark's town hall until they moved to Tooley Street.

[James Barber]

Sadly too many vested interests in big government. Also the local Labour party prefer big centralised local government. Hence removal of almost all the powers that had been devolved, such as local planning decisions, from the Dulwich Community Councils.

[fredricketts]

On 09/05/2012 at 08:20, James Barber said:

A new planning application 12-AP-3773 has been submitted:

http://planningonline.southwark.gov.uk/AcolNetCGI.exe?ACTION=UNWRAP&RIPNAME=Root.PgeDocs&TheSystemkey=9547620

 

The Iceland lease is close to ending. M&S have an option to take the site over. Clearly the freeholder would prefer a more successful shop leasing the site generating far more rent.

The freeholder have applied to extend the Iceland store and rent it to M&S - this would result in no customer parking on site - PLANNING APPLICATION DETAILS.

 

Building on the car parking will have a very negative affect on local residents and parking generally in the area vs. a potential anchor shop for the high street. The freeholder would obvious prefer rentable retail space than the provision of free parking.

The proposed 8 extra flats above the shop - replacing office space - would also increase parking pressures on surrounding streets.

 

Planning officers have suggested removing the customer car parking would reduce the numbers driving to this site - but have failed to take into account how many more people would like to shop at M&S rather than an Iceland. I suggest the latter will far out weigh the former.

 

If you think this is a good or bad idea tell the Southwark planning team case officer - [email protected] and copy local councillors so we can represent you as well - [email protected] , [email protected] and [email protected]

The Council allowed The Co op rear customer car parking area to be built on and as a result, the roads around, had customers parking in their road. and the Councils answer to that is CPZ in the whole area. the residents of Ashbourne grove do not want CPZ, as they feel its just another stealth tax, and that the money is going into street maintenance, for which we already pay exorbitant High Rates. another income for life for the Council and will increase year on year like the garden waste bins and cycle bins.