Revised new - M&S planning application to replace Iceland..

[Undisputedtruth]

M&S is proposing four deliveries between 6am to 7am every day of the year with increased deliveries over the busy holiday periods.

Iceland have their deliveries after 8am so not to disturb their neighbour's sleep.

As for your question Ted, a furniture shop, as an example, could have their deliveries after 9am or later.

[the-e-dealer]

99p are part of a chain.

[Undisputedtruth]

Scaremongering tactics, 'me thinks'.

[the-e-dealer]

How would a Furniture Shop "Help the poor" ?

[Undisputedtruth]

Sorry, perhaps selling straw for a bed might be better for the poor. Plus an upside down buckets makes a good chair!

[the-e-dealer]

What about the general economic uplift M&S would Bring. With the Jobs they are creating directly they will probably benefit workers in other shops by increasing footfall. So even if the 'poor' don't shop at M&S they will benefit from the jobs created.

[gedwina]

UDP is it really about "the fight to save lordship lane" is it?. Its more about the parking and the fact that you might get woken up by deliveries. Smacks a little of nimbyism

[Undisputedtruth]

Seven full time jobs are expected to be created when M&S opens. Hardly job creation considering Iceland is closing as a result. M&S damages the long term prospects of Lordship Lane.

[Undisputedtruth]

@Gedwina

Or is it a case that you don't give a care to people's blighted lives as long as you can get your M&S goodies locally?

[the-e-dealer]

There will also be cleaning jobs, maintenance work etc etc. I really cant see how M&S will damage anything.

They said the same thing about Sainsbury's on Dog Kennel Hill and Yes butchers and greengrocers closed but it hardly killed off LLane,

[Undisputedtruth]

Nearly did, TED. Surely the Iceland store requires staff, cleaners and maintenance work.

I really cant see how M&S will damage anything.

Perhaps you don't understand Clone Towns. Lots of people do and so do government.

[Worker]

You are very passionate about not having M&S in LL, UDT. Any reason, other than a fear ED will become a clone high street and you're too discerning for M&S?

[AlexC]

Undisputedtruth Wrote:

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> Or is it a case that you don't give a care to

> people's blighted lives as long as you can get

> your M&S goodies locally?

Blighted lives? Eh?

[the-e-dealer]

Blight.

1.

a. Any of numerous plant diseases resulting in sudden conspicuous wilting and dying of affected parts, especially young, growing tissues.

b. The condition or causative agent, such as a bacterium, fungus, or virus, that results in blight.

2. An extremely adverse environmental condition, such as air pollution.

3. Something that impairs growth, withers hopes and ambitions, or impedes progress and prosperity.

v. blight?ed, blight?ing, blights

v.tr.

1. To cause (a plant, for example) to undergo blight.

2. To have a deleterious effect on; ruin. See Synonyms at blast.

v.intr.

To suffer blight.

[AlexC]

Ah ok... so M&S "withers hopes and ambitions" and "impedes progress and prosperity"! :))

[the-e-dealer]

Not just any impediment its an M&S impediment.

[Undisputedtruth]

Nice try, guys. But the term 'blighted lives' means something else in the media. See here http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/feb/05/domestic-violence-refuge-government-cuts

http://oxforddictionaries.com/definition/blight?q=blighted#blight__4

2. spoil, harm, or destroy

[the-e-dealer]

Yeah I believe the Media. always do!

[Undisputedtruth]

More than tv adverts,TED?

[AlexC]

Would you feel the same if it was a Waitrose? Or would that still lead to blighted lives?

[Undisputedtruth]

Waitrose knows what quality is. Although I admire Waitrose, I still feel that the less well off members of society should not be excluded from the High Street.

[Penguin68]

Iceland is a very profitable company where sales were up by 15% compared to 2.5% by M&S food. Furthermore, Iceland was bought by their management. Given its profitability and cash reserves of ?150m they're well placed for expansion and acquisitions.

This isn't about Iceland as an expanding company, this is about whether Iceland sees its Lordship Lane site as a good continuing investment. See my earlier posts, but every site is examined to see whether it's optimal for the company leasing it.

Of course, it is possible that the site owner, together with M&S, is flying a development kite, and that Iceland is keeping its powder dry, hoping the plan will be turned down and Iceland will be left as the only game in town (and with bargaining power) and that's what the 'keep Iceland' brigade must be hoping as well.

But is is also very possible that Iceland considers other sites will give it a better long-term return and isn't interested in renewing the lease. My guess is that it will have been given the first option so to do, if only because continuity is better for the landlord than a gap in rental income, unless they can get a new leaseholder to co-fund development.

[Undisputedtruth]

The Iceland was more occupied with a management buyout, Penguin88.

Anyway, I'm off to do some proper cooking! ;-)

[gedwina]

Hi UDP

"Or is it a case that you don't give a care to people's blighted lives as long as you can get your M&S goodies locally?"

Nothing really to do with that - I get mine at London Bridge when in the mood but normally shop around Forest Hill road. I don?t particularly rate M and S as a food retailer. Regarding the blight, I would prefer to consider the quiet views of the majority over the minor view of those whose lives really aren?t going to be affected that much by a change in Supermarket.

However it?s more to do with the fact that you are trying to turn your personal agenda about parking into ?a fight to save lordship lane?. It seems you don?t even shop on the lane that much anyway?

?M&S represents naffness and isn't a draw for customers who have discerning taste. They, like myself, will travel down to Brixton Village where you can get the full works of independent retailers and more importantly, surrounded by cool minded people.?

?I like all things cool so I'll be avoiding M&S on Lordship Lane and spending more time in Brixton and Spitalfield as their retail environment tends to cater more to my exquisite tastes.?

Maybe we and the lane are not cool enough for you,

And then you mention clone towns. How will M and S (a chain store) replacing Iceland (another chain store) make Lordship lane a clone town?

Lordship lane is already a clone town / street ? the majority of estate agents / supermarket / banks / pubs are chains. The joy of the lane is the independent shops which are in the majority maintained by the increasing affluence of East Dulwich and in most cases would welcome the M & S as it would bring in more footfall and trade. In fact the nearest non clone town is Rye Lane where the majority of stores (at least towards the rye end) are independent clothes shops and butchers. This is the area that you think the M and S should move to and improve its mix of shops?

?An M&S in Peckham would also help its own diversity of shops.?

Finally you don?t seem to know what you want to replace the Iceland or improve the lane.

?Lordship Lane could perhaps do with a gift shop chain as to up the competition. I do find stock in the local gift shops rather uninspiring to say the least?

?I rather see an independent retailer take over the site where it's more likely that the neighbours won't be disturbed by articulated Lorries at a very anti-social time and add further diversity of offerings to the shopper?

Poor attempt to turn a personal parking agenda into a campaign to prevent the "gentrification of Lordship Lane"

[davidh]

in answer to those who castigated me for saying east dulwich is a village, I refer you to local histories which state quite clearly that east dulwich is the largest of the villages that constitute dulwich. but does it really matter if east dulwich is a village, a small town or a middle class enclave or a haven for m&s groupies or waitrose wannabees or what the hell else? what I know is that it is a great place to live and run a shop... although I might be happier if undisputedtruth took her custom elsewhere.