Screaming kids

[Keef]

*Whispers to DM* it's Inclusive darling.

I still don't think it makes you a child hating horrible person to want a pint somewhere where you know you'll be child free. It is nothing like saying I want to drink in an Irish free / black free / woman free place.

I guess it's a bit like a pet free place...

[mightyroar]

wanting a pint in a child free space is one thing, and it doesnt make you a child hater.

Neros' post on the other hand..........

[Nero]

Mighty Roar,

My English is very good, but I'm not that fluent in dot-dot-dot, so don't know what you mean.

But I stick my my post. Many British kids are indulged by indulgent parents. There is a cult of the child amongst the middle class. I concede that what I said was a bit sweeping. I should have put 'some' or 'many' rather than just 'parents'. Whether or not it was better or worse before, kids are still indulged much, much more than before, in my experience and parents deify them in a way that didn't use to happen. (This is nothing to do with loving and nurturing. It's more to do with trying to live up to a certain 'lifestyle'.) Nero

[TillieTrotter]

In my limited experience, ie, I spend alot of time in Italy, I find the way my neighbours (thats about 10ish kids) let their kids run amok, abit gob smacking! They seem to think we are very strict with our kids in the way we constantly reproach them. My kids get looks of pity when they are pulled up about something. And let me tell you my boys are no angels!

[lozzyloz]

I'm half Italian and I tend to agree with that, although I've seen it many other countries too. In what is considered to be well behaved British society, children are far more restrained, restricted and disciplined. There is another side too. In our culture where relationships commonly break down and children are caught up in the emotional turmoil I often see them being over compensated with toys, games, money etc instead of the one thing they need most. Emotional security and love. Another parental skill that is often lacking is letting kids know where the line is. That line needs to remain constant so as not to confuse.

[TillieTrotter]

Too right, as someone mentioned earlier, they need the RIGHT kind of attention.

[SeanMacGabhann]

After reading this thread over the course, I'm inclined to wish I had Loz, Tillie, DulwichMum and Asset as parents.

Loving the wisdom. Because of my lack of expertise I can generalise but I've learned much from this