Brexit has Officially become UK Law

[JohnL]

Was in inn of court pub on holborn after work and the Peoples Vote youth & student group were having a party. Didn't see Femi there though.

[JohnL]

Alexa just told me that today is Backward Day.

Happy Backward Day Everybody.

[Loutwo]

Happy brexit day everyone. It?s nice to finally take back control. I?m going to crack open a nice bottle of Chateauneuf du pape to celebrate. We sure do make the bestest wine in the world.

Louisa.

[Seabag]

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> Alexa just told me that today is Backward Day.

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> Happy Backward Day Everybody.

Backward is the new going forward.

Happy Backward day to you too JohnL

Thanks Alexa.

[DulwichFox]

Yep.. Back to the Future

Not living in the Past

[diable rouge]

Personally I'm very excited and will be on tenterhooks all day, every free moment will be spent watching Sky's live coverage and the countdown clock, until that glorious moment at midnight Brussels time when I will be raising a glass of champagne to celebrate the closing of the transfer window...

[dbboy]

Blah Blah Wrote:

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> > Can't you accept the democratic decision made

> by

> > the people in 2016.

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> Can't you accept that people still have the right

> to campaign for things they believe in?

Yes, I accept that people want to campaign for things they believe in, however nothing will change, people are wasting their time, the decision was made by a majority back in 2016. The Government have enacted that decision.

I support the democratic process, only the future will see what the impact is on the citizens and the country, if the decision made at the referendum was right or wrong. No one has a crystal ball to tell what the future will be.

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dbboy Wrote:

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> The Government have enacted that decision.

It's taken this long to negotiate our withdrawal, we are still in the dark as to what the future relationship will be. To think that people engaging in that process are "wasting their time" is pretty short-sighted.

[dbboy]

Wasting their time protesting against something that is in Statute, the Law.

[dbboy]

Nothing changes for the next 11 months.

[stepdown]

...you do realise that it can be removed just as easily as it was put in, right?

[pk]

dbboy Wrote:

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> Wasting their time protesting against something

> that is in Statute, the Law.

so you think everything's done now, all the law is agreed

and that e.g. any future trading or free movements arrangement is something that no-one should have public opinions on?

[DulwichFox]

Not much changes at 11.00pm UK time

But one very positive thing is that on Foie Gras

Production of Foie Gras is banned in The U.K. but the E.U. prevented The U.K. from banning it's import.

Well from 11.00pm tonight we will be able to Ban it's import.

Please sign the petition to make the U.K. free of Foie Gras.

https://t.co/ZpavPGmFBO?amp=1

Rrom Rachel Riley

[dbboy]

The Law to leave the EU is agreed

Negotiations for free trade deals can commence Monday

Everything else with the EU remains the same for the next 11 months, i.e. free movement, healthcare, pensions for those UK citizens in EU countries - that needs to be agreed by 31st January 2021. And yes, visa's are likely to be required, as are restrictions on how many day's UK citizens can reside in the EU in any 180 day period, or people can ignore that and see what happens.

What does change at 11.01pm is no MEP's, no UK judges in the EU commission, no UK European Commissioner.

So let's not waste even more time going round in circles looking for every loop hole, it's a time to unite and move forward, united we stand, divided we fall.

[Sephiroth]

"divided we fall."

well you've made sure the united kingdom falls by simple fact of pursuing brexit, Scotland and NI will be no longer part of UK within 5-10 years

[TheCat]

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> > The Government have enacted that decision.

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> It's taken this long to negotiate our withdrawal,

> we are still in the dark as to what the future

> relationship will be. To think that people

> engaging in that process are "wasting their time"

> is pretty short-sighted.

I think the complaint from some quarters is that quite often it's not really engagement in the process. It's just obstinate trying to prove to all and sundry that Brexit is a bad idea, and seemingly taking the view that 'I voted remain' so it's not my problem to fix'. Certainly, not all remains, but a vocal minority would prefer to take the self-righteous high ground, rather than engage to help make the future relationship (such as it is) with the EU as successful as possible. I'm sure some will reply to this thread and say why should they have to come up with solutions when they didn't want it all in the first place; and therin lies the frustration, and the genesis of the 'remaoner' tag.

Just look at this thread to see how many predictions of doom, coupled with blame there are,as opposed to constructive engagement. Throw in the snarky 'go on then, explain it to me' or 'go on then, name me one good thing about brexit' or 'it's your fault not mine' and its not reall conducive to rationale debate. And I'm sure someone will reply saying that leave voters aren't rational, and believe in unicorns and lies. It's tiresome.

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TheCat Wrote:

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> Certainly, not all

> remains, but a vocal minority would prefer to take

> the self-righteous high ground, rather than engage

> to help make the future relationship (such as it

> is) with the EU as successful as possible.

Cat, did Leavers ever engage to help make our relationship with the EU as successful a possible? Like feck they did.

Your lack of self=awareness is hilarious...and tiresome.

[Sephiroth]

Once leavers can agree what they want then perhaps then they can ask Remainers to get on board

As things stand they are still a very loose coalition of competing ideologies, which will lead to open hostilities as soon as the hard choices to be made come to pass

Nothing has changed - apart from us being out of the EU. All the problems are still the same and have yet to be addressed.

I think Cat knows all this and is actually a bit nervous

[pk]

TheCat Wrote:

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> Certainly, not all

> remains, but a vocal minority would prefer to take

> the self-righteous high ground, rather than engage

> to help make the future relationship (such as it

> is) with the EU as successful as possible. .

what is it that you're doing to make the future relationship successful?

[TheCat]

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> > Certainly, not all

> > remains, but a vocal minority would prefer to

> take

> > the self-righteous high ground, rather than

> engage

> > to help make the future relationship (such as

> it

> > is) with the EU as successful as possible. .

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> what is it that you're doing to make the future

> relationship successful?

Engaging with your trolling bullshit for a start

[TheCat]

diable rouge Wrote:

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> > Certainly, not all

> > remains, but a vocal minority would prefer to

> take

> > the self-righteous high ground, rather than

> engage

> > to help make the future relationship (such as

> it

> > is) with the EU as successful as possible.

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> Cat, did Leavers ever engage to help make our

> relationship with the EU as successful a possible?

> Like feck they did.

> Your lack of self=awareness is hilarious...and

> tiresome.

geez, you really just want to dig for anything to have a go at people about don't you. Holding people who disagree with you to higher standards. What did you do to engage with the EU? What did 90 percent of remain do? Also fuck all.

I'm glad you find it hilarious though. At least I can bring a small amount of joy to you dark and disastrous existence in brexit Britain.

[pk]

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> > > remains, but a vocal minority would prefer to

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> > > to help make the future relationship (such as

> > it

> > > is) with the EU as successful as possible. .

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> > what is it that you're doing to make the future

> > relationship successful?

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> Engaging with your trolling bullshit for a start

why is asking someone who's going on about engaging what they're doing to engage trolling?

an why would engaging with me help make a successful relationship with the EU?

[TheCat]

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> > > > to help make the future relationship (such

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> start

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> why is asking someone who's going on about

> engaging what they're doing to engage trolling?

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> an why would engaging with me help make a

> successful relationship with the EU?

One of life's mysteries I guess.

[edcam]

No, because it was a stupid, ill-informed decision.

dbboy Wrote:

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> Can't you accept the democratic decision made by

> the people in 2016.

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TheCat Wrote:

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> 'go on then, name me one good thing about brexit'

That you think asking for a single example of a benefit is not "constructive engagement" shows you don't really understand how "rationale debate" works.

TheCat Wrote:

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> I'm sure some will reply to this thread and say why

> should they have to come up with solutions when they

> didn't want it all in the first place; and therin

> lies the frustration, and the genesis of the

> 'remaoner' tag.

I will happily discuss why I think membership of the EU is the best option going forward. Failing that, staying in the single market would be my preference, but it is unlikely to satisfy leave voters now that the Overton window has shifted so far towards a hard Brexit.

On the other hand, there is still no plan years after the vote. It's because there are a whole host of competing incentives for all the different factions that made up the leave vote. By contrast the remain "solutions" are incredibly clear.