Pubs and restaurants to close?

[diable rouge]

Nobody is 'boycotting' pubs like it's some form of protest, they're being responsible citizens by staying away...

[KidKruger]

It's this "don't bother me" mentality that will give the virus that little edge it needs to rip through the population.

Imagine, a species so intelligent it can figure out what the disease is and how to avoid it, yet so stupid it ignores advice from scientists about preventing the spread.

Another example (besides Brexit) why freedom of choice causes great harm to a population, if allowed in the wrong population !!

[diable rouge]

People need to behave and act accordingly as if they already have the virus, not hoping or thinking they won't catch it...

[tiddles]

The problem is that the hospitality trade is hanging on by its fingernails. If they do not open, they cannot pay their staff. These staff need this money to live.

I guarantee that most hospitality based businesses do not have enough in the bank to pay the wage bill for more than 2 weeks - so there is the conundrum. They are reluctant take out the govt backed loans as they will not really be able to carry these going forward (anecdotally heard of someone who applied for one and the interest rates was 18% - maybe the new rate had not been noted) but there is the conundrum. Businesses WANT to support their staff but do not have the means to do so - esp after the lean months on jan/feb/march. Alot are waiting for the spring/summer surge of weddings and parties to refill the coffers. The economics of fear will rule.

[Dulwich Born And Bred]

That might be the Mutual Aid Volunteers handing out flyers for the other volunteers to post within the GG Ward. The group is kept very small.

DulwichFox Wrote:

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> Was out on Lordship Lane at 12.00 and 13.30

> today.

>

> No evidence of people boycotting local Pubs. A

> few People sitting in EDT at 12.10 and a few more

> again 13.30

>

> I may assess the situation later tonight by going

> out for a walk and getting a Take_Away.

> No intention of venturing into any pub. Pub

> probably quiet due to no football.

>

> DulwichFox

[diable rouge]

Totally agree tiddles, this is where the Gov needs to step in with something like a temporary guaranteed living wage, but then you get someone like Iain Duncan-Smith saying that would prove to be a disincentive to work...yes, that's the point of doing it!

[carlafindle]

diable rouge Wrote:

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> Totally agree tiddles, this is where the Gov needs

> to step in with something like a temporary

> guaranteed living wage, but then you get someone

> like Iain Duncan-Smith saying that would prove to

> be a disincentive to work...yes, that's the point

> of doing it!

Well we all know what IDS is

[DulwichFox]

20.30 - 21.00

Just had a wander around North Cross / Lordship Lane.

It's absolutely Dead.

Thai Corner Cafe. Empty no one in.

Monkatsu Empty no one in.

Palmerston. 6 people ?

Hisar Turkish. Not a sole. completely empty.

Hisar Mangal 4 people

Bishop Few in. Not Busy.

Memsaab Couple of people

MEAT Liquor Busy not full

EDT 10 -15 ish did not go in.

Really bad. No one about on the street.

Foxy

[Mark]

DulwichFox Wrote:

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> Really bad. No one about on the street.

I agree but it's also really good that people are heeding the advice. To use that annoying phrase it's short term pain for long term gain. have no idea how big "long" or "short" are but they're relative, a smaller short means a smaller long.

[Sue]

DulwichFox Wrote:

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> 20.30 - 21.00

>

> Just had a wander around North Cross / Lordship

> Lane.

> It's absolutely Dead.

>

> Thai Corner Cafe. Empty no one in.

>

> Monkatsu Empty no one in.

>

> Palmerston. 6 people ?

>

> Hisar Turkish. Not a sole. completely empty.

>

> Hisar Mangal 4 people

>

> Bishop Few in. Not Busy.

>

> Memsaab Couple of people

>

> MEAT Liquor Busy not full

>

> EDT 10 -15 ish did not go in.

>

> Really bad. No one about on the street.

>

>

Why do you say it's really bad?

Do you think people should be ignoring government advice and going to these places?

Yes it's terrible for the businesses and those who work there,but that's a separate issue which let's hope the government will properly address.

I thought you were ill, DF. Do you think it's sensible to be wandering around East Dulwich when presumably you are at high risk of getting this virus badly if you catch it?

[DulwichFox]

Sue Wrote:

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> DulwichFox Wrote:

> --------------------------------------------------

> -----

> > 20.30 - 21.00

> >

> > Just had a wander around North Cross /

> Lordship

> > Lane.

> > It's absolutely Dead.

> >

> > Thai Corner Cafe. Empty no one in.

> >

> > Monkatsu Empty no one in.

> >

> > Palmerston. 6 people ?

> >

> > Hisar Turkish. Not a sole. completely empty.

> >

> > Hisar Mangal 4 people

> >

> > Bishop Few in. Not Busy.

> >

> > Memsaab Couple of people

> >

> > MEAT Liquor Busy not full

> >

> > EDT 10 -15 ish did not go in.

> >

> > Really bad. No one about on the street.

> >

> >

>

>

> Why do you say it's really bad?

>

> Do you think people should be ignoring government

> advice and going to these places?

>

> Yes it's terrible for the businesses and those who

> work there,but that's a separate issue which let's

> hope the government will properly address.

>

> I thought you were ill, DF. Do you think it's

> sensible to be wandering around East Dulwich when

> presumably you are at high risk of getting this

> virus badly if you catch it?

Why do you say its really bad. ?? #FFS

People should NOT be going to these places. The Corona Virus situation is whats bad .

I need to get out of the house and exercise and get some fresh air.

Why do you always take things people post here the wrong way.

I went for a Brain scan today. It was orig. cancelled but my situation is so serious

that they were forced to see me. Corona Virus is the least of my concerns at the moment.

The Hospital agreed my situation is serious and a possible brain tumour would be life threatening.

Also having High blood pressure. Asthma and Problems with my Pancreas and possible liver.

Also loosing my eye sight due to Vit b12 deficiency, I have been on a course of injections.

You thought I was Ill. Yes I am. Seriously ill. I have virtually stopped drinking alcohol.

But now I can't even go to the pub, have a chat and a couple of alcohol Free beers.

#FFS I do not see or speak to anyone day in day out. I was looking forward to seeing my Doctor tomorrow

but it's been cancelled and a Telephone appointment is to be be arranged.

I'm sorry you have been unwell and hope you are feeling better. Just give me a break

Foxy

[ED Bird]

DulwichBorn&Bred Wrote:

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> That might be the Mutual Aid Volunteers handing

> out flyers for the other volunteers to post within

> the GG Ward. The group is kept very small.

Correct. That would be us. We have small "gatherings" every 2pm & 7pm. I'm taking the 2pm shifts, sitting inside with a stack of flyers & hand writing my number on every one of them. A volunteer will occassionally come in to drop off or pick up. We're limiting contact with eachother, constantly washing hands & have hand sanitizers.

[Dulwich Born And Bred]

I thought it was out group of volunteers hence I corrected DF who was moaning about it but he didn?t bother to reply when I corrected him as no one was there to drink beer and socialise!

ED Bird Wrote:

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> DulwichBorn&Bred Wrote:

> --------------------------------------------------

> -----

> > That might be the Mutual Aid Volunteers handing

> > out flyers for the other volunteers to post

> within

> > the GG Ward. The group is kept very small.

>

>

> Correct. That would be us. We have small

> "gatherings" every 2pm & 7pm. I'm taking the 2pm

> shifts, sitting inside with a stack of flyers &

> hand writing my number on every one of them. A

> volunteer will occassionally come in to drop off

> or pick up. We're limiting contact with eachother,

> constantly washing hands & have hand sanitizers.

[Mark]

DF

Everyone's in the same boat as you but some are working harder to bail it out to stop it sinking than others. I sympathise with your issues but if everyone does what's best for the greater good then we'll be better sooner.

[JohnL]

Someone on twitter said we should all have a virtual drink at 7:00 PM tonight (well a real drink virtually I meant).

it's not the same and I miss the pub - but it's nice to know a load of other people are having a drink simultaneously.

[JohnL]

Tim Martin is keeping all Wetherspoons open.

Singing the praises of pubs versus supermarkets (he has a point about supermarkets but he's being a bit irresponsible here).

[Blah Blah]

He is completely irresponsible and why Sky News are giving him airtime to share those views is baffling. He seems to think his booze sales are more important than lives, claiming 'there has been very little transmission of the virus in pub'. How on earth does he know? It is that kind of ignorance that will increase the death toll.

[DulwichFox]

In reality the most dangerous place to 'Catch' The Corona Virus is Sainsburys early morning.

The Time when the Elderly and most Vulnerable are being invited to go along.

The time when most people are about in the store.

People must be a greater risk there than sitting alone in the corner of the pub or Cafe.

[KidKruger]

Unfortunately, I didn't think just because we can see a location/event which may be higher risk in theory, it automatically means a free-for-all everywhere else.

Minimising contact wherever possible will help save lives.

Everywhere that is non-essential should close to support this.

[DulwichFox]

It now looks like Pubs, restaurants, gyms and cinemas are to be ordered to close in London

Read more: https://metro.co.uk/2020/03/20/pubs-restaurants-gyms-cinemas-ordered-close-london-12430533/?ito=cbshare

It would seem that a Final decision will be made later this afternoon/ evening.

[Sue]

This should have been done earlier.

[Sue]

Cafes,pubs, bars and restaurants to close tonight.

Finally.

[Alan Medic]

Finally indeed. Now they need to sort out the supermarkets. Only a lockdown will do that.

[KidKruger]

Govt?s no spine.

[KidKruger]

GE shut.

Actress shut.

Palmerston shut.

Franklins shut.

EDT around 40 people inside.

I understand you Gotta run a business, but this is how the disease spreads - human to human.