Urgent: Help Reopen Closed Melbourne Grove and adjacent roads

[slarti b]

FairTgirl Wrote:

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> For anyone who has not seen it - Cllr McAsh posted this on his blog today. https://www.jamesmcash.com/blog/faqs->on-goose-green-ltn-measures

It is good to know that at least one of the local councillors is listening to their constituents and thinking a bit more deeply about the implications of these road closures. However there is a major flaw in the his analysis. He quotes from a Guardian article viz. "congestion in London has risen dramatically. On one day in September, it was 53% higher than the previous year." to claim that traffic has increased so more LTN's are needed. This interpretation is not correct, indeed it is significanlty flawed.

The measure of congestion used by Waze for this statistic is journey time NOT traffic volumes. So what this is saying is that journeys are taking a lot longer. Other studies, eg DoT and TfL, show that traffic is still below pre-lockdown levels. If so, what this means is that the congestion is caused, not by extra traffic, but by the road closures themselves. And, as the Guardian article shows, this actually increase pollution on the roads affected by the displaced traffic.

So, ironically, it seems that LTN's and road closure are actually increasing pollution, which groups like OneDulwich and many posters on here have been saying for months.

[KidKruger]

slarti - if they'd just consulted us on EDF, anyone on here could predict the outcomes we are now seeing due to LTNs.

The words 'science' and 'rocket' are not appropriate at this time.

[Spartacus]

KK

Hmm there's an idea, a rocket up the councillors backsides to get them to listen !

Penny for the Guy ?

[FairTgirl]

For anyone interested this was the video submitted to Southwark Council's Cabinet Meeting supporting the E-petition signed by more than 2700 now.

[Nigello]

At least the Daily Mail is an ally:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8859841/The-death-driving-1-000-cuts-parking-spaces-quietly-replaced-Parklets.html

[first mate]

Of course, anyone that objects in the slightest to any of this must be a Daily Mail reader.

[Rockets]

Clearly there's a lot of Daily Mail readers around. Quite a few new readers can be found across Peckham Rye as news of the Phase 4 closures spreads ;-).

Someone is setting up an e-petition on the Southwark website to lobby against those closures. I reckon the council will be spending a lot of their cabinet meetings talking about the road closures before long......although I did notice today someone set-up an e-petition to allow sheep to graze again on Goose Green....something I think we can all get behind!

No doubt the sheep grazing petition will have substantially more than the 51 who have signed the pro-closure petition....

I noted during the council meeting that the pro-closure lady was trying invalidate the e-petition against the closures on the basis that postcodes aren't entered when supporting the e-petition and that people from outside the area had been signing.....I presume that's a bit like Southwark cyclists encouraging their members to leave comments on the Streetspace sites or infiltrating OHS consultations.

There is a simple solution - the council runs an area-wide consultation and see what the public feedback is and make decisions on the wishes of the majority of Dulwich residents. I suspect there are far more local residents in the 2,600 who signed the anti-closure petition than the 51 signing for pro-closure!

[legalalien]

FWIW I?m all in favour of Parklets and cycle hangars as long as they are strategically positioned to benefit those who need them and not those with side gates and large back yards - and as long as they don?t remove much needed parking near small businesses. Mind you, I do read the Daily Mail from time to time - I try to rotate my news source each day so as not to become too comfortable in my views. I?d recommend it.

[first mate]

legalalien

I second your points but the DM reader charge has become a means to stereotype other posters. It is cheap and low.

[legalalien]

And shortsighted - I suspect the last person to take the "basket of deplorables" line regrets it somewhat.

[legalalien]

Just wanted to make sure everyone on this thread is aware of the decision for an experimental school street closure on Melbourne Grove

http://moderngov.southwark.gov.uk/ieDecisionDetails.aspx?ID=7190

[first mate]

In addition to all day CPZ, extended double yellow and and plant barriers?

[dulwichfolk]

I heard they also get a council tax amnesty and chocolates and flowers delivered once a week...by bike obviously.

Isn?t the main entrance to the school due to move to east dulwich grove? Or is that just for some years.

[Rockets]

So they're closing a road at school times that has already been closed - a double whammy!? Why do they need this - according to the pro-closure propaganda machine Melbourne Grove has now been fixed - reference the photos of children milling around the school. Or is it that the closure of the road has created a school drop-off cul-de-sac - as is happening at the end of Court Lane at the moment which looks like a car park?

Have the traders been consulted as the council states that there is a "minor inconvenience" that no-one will be able to get access to the parking bays? This could be the final nail in the coffin for some businesses around Melbourne Grove.

Are the residents in support as that prevents all access to their properties during those hours?

[geh]

so the further Dulwich Village and Carlton Avenue DYL's are to make it easier for residents with off street parking to access their properties? How is this in the spirit of reducing traffic? this administration is woefully out of control

[northernmonkey]

Anything that stops alleyns parents parking right up to the junction of townley is good with me to be honest - it seems that if there aren't DYL common sense doesn't prevail!

[peckhamside]

OMD have you been in a hole for the last 10 years.

Alternative to driving 1km which is a very short distance would be

1) Walking,

2) cycling

3) public transport

4) Scooter

%) electric bike

6) moped

[peckhamside]

Recent bad traffic has some unusual features. I do not think it is caused by road closures. I think it is due to more people driving, particularly to school!! Roads seem more quiet than usual in the day-about midday.

[Abe_froeman]

legalalien Wrote:

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> Just wanted to make sure everyone on this thread

> is aware of the decision for an experimental

> school street closure on Melbourne Grove

>

> http://moderngov.southwark.gov.uk/ieDecisionDetail

> s.aspx?ID=7190

There are some quite surprising changes going through on there.

E.g 25 feet of new double yellow lines on Crystal Palace Road at the request of the homeowner because they can't always get their own car over the pavemement and onto their private car parking easily enough...

Seems at odds with the councillors' aims of reducing private car ownership / use

[ruffers]

I particularly enjoyed watching a bin wagon doing a ten point turn on Melbourne Grove at the end of Chesterfield Grove yesterday morning.

[geh]

Abe_froeman Wrote:

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> legalalien Wrote:

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> > Just wanted to make sure everyone on this

> thread

> > is aware of the decision for an experimental

> > school street closure on Melbourne Grove

> >

> >

> http://moderngov.southwark.gov.uk/ieDecisionDetail

>

> > s.aspx?ID=7190

>

> There are some quite surprising changes going

> through on there.

>

> E.g 25 feet of new double yellow lines on Crystal

> Palace Road at the request of the homeowner

> because they can't always get their own car over

> the pavemement and onto their private car parking

> easily enough...

>

> Seems at odds with the councillors' aims of

> reducing private car ownership / use

yup as I posted earlier, there are some desperate double standards at play here

[Abe_froeman]

There's one on Calton Avenue the same length. Who needs 25.ft of space to get in and out of a drive ffs.

[spider69]

If you have cars parked tight up to the entrance sides of entrance drop you are unable to see what is coming up or down on the road.

People will only think of their needs not others

With the amount of traffic on CPR I would have thought this is required.

[wallsend]

You can see why councils love cameras on bus gates.

https://www.newsshopper.co.uk/news/18810571.lewisham-council-get-millions-lee-green-ltn-fines/

New on here but have been reading comments on all the road issues seemingly for the last year at least. What a waste of time all those consultations were, only for the council to cheat and impose all these LTNs anyway. I think a few people are just trying to change all our lives, instead of just their own. And ruining our freedoms in the process.

[siousxiesue]

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/bike-blog/2020/oct/22/despite-a-loud-opposing-minority-low-traffic-neighbourhoods-are-increasingly-popular

Interesting read, comments also