Urgent: Help Reopen Closed Melbourne Grove and adjacent roads

[heartblock]

Time for a socially distanced demo?

[alice]

R. I'm blocked from the twitter link you posted.

[legalalien]

At that point I will be petitioning to rename LL and EDG ?the Dulwich Village Bypass?...

Rockets Wrote:

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> Metallic Wrote:

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> > smooch Wrote:

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> > -----

> > > now there's an idea.

> > > walking thru the village this morning around

> > 11.30

> > > and the main road was completely chock full

> > > towards east dulwich grove - across the

> > junction

> > > with turney. i just don't get it? would love

> to

> > > hear what all the residents of Dulwich

> village

> > > actually feel about it.

> > >

> > > Should also add that the road was completely

> > > blocked at around 2.30 on sunday afternoon so

> > > clearly nothing to do with the school run -

> > again

> > > tailing back to the mini roundabout.

> > >

> > > some residents and businesses on east dulwich

> > > grove have already expressed their serious

> > > concern, but I suspect the council is

> unwilling

> > to

> > > actually 'hear' them. Councillor James has

> > bravely

> > > made some conciliatory noises but is not in a

> > > position to do anything.

> >

> > Everyone I know hates the plans in the Village.

>

> > And the few cyclists who actually LIVE in

> Dulwich

> > Village are probably countable on your fingers

> and

> > toes.

> >

> > I wish people would stop meddling in the life

> of

> > our community. The ruination of Lordship lane

> and

> > Grove Vale businesses, the closure of Melbourne

> > Grove, I bet there are very few people who want

> > our district to go down the drain.

>

> I think many of the pro-closure supporters in the

> Village are desperate to get the next phase of

> closures in place so traffic has to find a route

> elsewhere around the village. No doubt Cllr Newens

> and Leeming will celebrate how quiet the village

> is as the rest of us have to live with their

> displaced hell!!!! ;-)

[legalalien]

Let?s hope those particular pieces weren?t funded from the ?750 awarded to the residents association for their street parties including the Halloween Party.. http://moderngov.southwark.gov.uk/documents/s87448/Appendix%201.pdf

Rockets Wrote:

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> I did chuckle to myself as I walked down Melbourne

> Grove today - the residents have done a great job

> decorating the street for Halloween and putting up

> the gravestones but I love how one of them is

> trying to make a point by creating a couple of

> headstones with "Rat Run" on them.....and Cllr

> Newens suggests there is a problem with trolls

> from the anti-closure lobby!!!! ;-)

>

> I wonder if the Rest in Pieces headstone is in

> fact a reference to the businesses on Melbourne

> Grove being impacted by the closures....

>

>

>

> 568787456?s=09

[Rockets]

alice Wrote:

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> R. I'm blocked from the twitter link you posted.

It's working for me...have you maybe dared to ask a question and they blocked you...that seems to be the usual pattern from the pro-closure lobby! ;-)

[ab29]

heartblock Wrote:

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> Time for a socially distanced demo?

I'm all for it.

[FairTgirl]

Rockets Wrote:

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> I did chuckle to myself as I walked down Melbourne

> Grove today - the residents have done a great job

> decorating the street for Halloween and putting up

> the gravestones but I love how one of them is

> trying to make a point by creating a couple of

> headstones with "Rat Run" on them.....and Cllr

> Newens suggests there is a problem with trolls

> from the anti-closure lobby!!!! ;-)

>

> I wonder if the Rest in Pieces headstone is in

> fact a reference to the businesses on Melbourne

> Grove being impacted by the closures....

>

>

>

> 568787456?s=09

This has not gone unnoticed by the businesses and I dare say it doesn't feel terribly coincidental to them given the threats to boycott them personally and on this very forum. There is one entitled 'Yule Be Next' aimed at a business. It would be understandable if someone took that personally given the context of what is happening on the road.

Tiddles, 'Shat on' does seem quite apt and yes most businesses in DV and ED bar a few are saying they are struggling since road closures.

On another note does anyone know if Southwark Spine Cycling Route is still planned to go ahead? If it does it might involve removing parking for Bellenden Road businesses, and putting permeable filters on Crystal Palace Road among othr changes.

https://www.southwark.gov.uk/transport-and-roads/active-travel/cycling/cycle-improvements?chapter=3&article

If they go ahead with Phase 4 in Peckham cars will be seeking routes through Crystal Palace Road and residential roads in Peckham where they plan to put this Southwark Spine Route.

Having had a look at the present cycle routes in Southwark - with very few east to west just like Southwark bus routes, that cycling lobbyists would be satisfied with these road closures. They don't seem to be serving them either. Surely they would like to see some proper investment in actual interlinked cycle paths, rather than short closed roads which then spit them onto busier more polluted RMR roads.

Southwark is giving them cheap as chips planters, not real routes that go anywhere, and everyone increased pollution and congestion on other roads.

[Galileo]

I can assure you no offence was intended, in fact quite the opposite. An upside to making a Halloween walk more enjoyable for all in these rubbish times is to increase footfall along the road which should hopefully help advertise the local businesses. I?m sure there are those who will happily sit at their phones and write that it?s not enough etc but it has been weeks of planning and work by the local community for the enjoyment of all, which I am saddened to see you have chosen to view as some form of veiled threat.

FairTgirl Wrote:

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> Rockets Wrote:

> --------------------------------------------------

> -----

> > I did chuckle to myself as I walked down

> Melbourne

> > Grove today - the residents have done a great

> job

> > decorating the street for Halloween and putting

> up

> > the gravestones but I love how one of them is

> > trying to make a point by creating a couple of

> > headstones with "Rat Run" on them.....and Cllr

> > Newens suggests there is a problem with trolls

> > from the anti-closure lobby!!!! ;-)

> >

> > I wonder if the Rest in Pieces headstone is in

> > fact a reference to the businesses on Melbourne

> > Grove being impacted by the closures....

> >

> >

> >

>

>

> > 568787456?s=09

>

> This has not gone unnoticed by the businesses and

> I dare say it doesn't feel terribly coincidental

> to them given the threats to boycott them

> personally and on this very forum. There is one

> entitled 'Yule Be Next' aimed at a business. It

> would be understandable if someone took that

> personally given the context of what is happening

> on the road.

>

> Tiddles, 'Shat on' does seem quite apt and yes

> most businesses in DV and ED bar a few are saying

> they are struggling since road closures.

>

> On another note does anyone know if Southwark

> Spine Cycling Route is still planned to go ahead?

> If it does it might involve removing parking for

> Bellenden Road businesses, and putting permeable

> filters on Crystal Palace Road among othr changes.

>

>

> https://www.southwark.gov.uk/transport-and-roads/a

> ctive-travel/cycling/cycle-improvements?chapter=3&

> article

>

> If they go ahead with Phase 4 in Peckham cars will

> be seeking routes through Crystal Palace Road and

> residential roads in Peckham where they plan to

> put this Southwark Spine Route.

>

> Having had a look at the present cycle routes in

> Southwark - with very few east to west just like

> Southwark bus routes, that cycling lobbyists would

> be satisfied with these road closures. They don't

> seem to be serving them either. Surely they would

> like to see some proper investment in actual

> interlinked cycle paths, rather than short closed

> roads which then spit them onto busier more

> polluted RMR roads.

>

> Southwark is giving them cheap as chips planters,

> not real routes that go anywhere, and everyone

> increased pollution and congestion on other roads.

[alice]

Not convinced.

[Rockets]

Galileo Wrote:

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> I can assure you no offence was intended, in fact

> quite the opposite. An upside to making a

> Halloween walk more enjoyable for all in these

> rubbish times is to increase footfall along the

> road which should hopefully help advertise the

> local businesses. I?m sure there are those who

> will happily sit at their phones and write that

> it?s not enough etc but it has been weeks of

> planning and work by the local community for the

> enjoyment of all, which I am saddened to see you

> have chosen to view as some form of veiled threat.

>

>

> FairTgirl Wrote:

> --------------------------------------------------

> -----

> > Rockets Wrote:

> >

> --------------------------------------------------

>

> > -----

> > > I did chuckle to myself as I walked down

> > Melbourne

> > > Grove today - the residents have done a great

> > job

> > > decorating the street for Halloween and

> putting

> > up

> > > the gravestones but I love how one of them is

> > > trying to make a point by creating a couple

> of

> > > headstones with "Rat Run" on them.....and

> Cllr

> > > Newens suggests there is a problem with

> trolls

> > > from the anti-closure lobby!!!! ;-)

> > >

> > > I wonder if the Rest in Pieces headstone is

> in

> > > fact a reference to the businesses on

> Melbourne

> > > Grove being impacted by the closures....

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

>

>

> >

> > > 568787456?s=09

> >

> > This has not gone unnoticed by the businesses

> and

> > I dare say it doesn't feel terribly

> coincidental

> > to them given the threats to boycott them

> > personally and on this very forum. There is one

> > entitled 'Yule Be Next' aimed at a business. It

> > would be understandable if someone took that

> > personally given the context of what is

> happening

> > on the road.

> >

> > Tiddles, 'Shat on' does seem quite apt and yes

> > most businesses in DV and ED bar a few are

> saying

> > they are struggling since road closures.

> >

> > On another note does anyone know if Southwark

> > Spine Cycling Route is still planned to go

> ahead?

> > If it does it might involve removing parking

> for

> > Bellenden Road businesses, and putting

> permeable

> > filters on Crystal Palace Road among othr

> changes.

> >

> >

> >

> https://www.southwark.gov.uk/transport-and-roads/a

>

> >

> ctive-travel/cycling/cycle-improvements?chapter=3&

>

> > article

> >

> > If they go ahead with Phase 4 in Peckham cars

> will

> > be seeking routes through Crystal Palace Road

> and

> > residential roads in Peckham where they plan to

> > put this Southwark Spine Route.

> >

> > Having had a look at the present cycle routes

> in

> > Southwark - with very few east to west just

> like

> > Southwark bus routes, that cycling lobbyists

> would

> > be satisfied with these road closures. They

> don't

> > seem to be serving them either. Surely they

> would

> > like to see some proper investment in actual

> > interlinked cycle paths, rather than short

> closed

> > roads which then spit them onto busier more

> > polluted RMR roads.

> >

> > Southwark is giving them cheap as chips

> planters,

> > not real routes that go anywhere, and everyone

> > increased pollution and congestion on other

> roads.

I am sure no offence was meant but the Rat Run attached is a bit tone deaf considering the shops at the end of the road are struggling so much because of these closures. I appreciate what you might be trying to do but to politicise it and revel in the closures seems a little blinkered. Keep it on message; don't use it to try to deliver a message.

[Dulwichgirl82]

I agree, I walked down and there were quite a lot like that. Felt a bit rude to those in the community who have been negatively impacted by this. Not good for a ?community event? as those on east dulwich grove are some of the worst affected. I also walked down east dulwich grove and lordship lane and the traffic there was awful once again. Rockets Wrote:

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> Galileo Wrote:

> --------------------------------------------------

> -----

> > I can assure you no offence was intended, in

> fact

> > quite the opposite. An upside to making a

> > Halloween walk more enjoyable for all in these

> > rubbish times is to increase footfall along the

> > road which should hopefully help advertise the

> > local businesses. I?m sure there are those who

> > will happily sit at their phones and write that

> > it?s not enough etc but it has been weeks of

> > planning and work by the local community for

> the

> > enjoyment of all, which I am saddened to see

> you

> > have chosen to view as some form of veiled

> threat.

> >

> >

> > FairTgirl Wrote:

> >

> --------------------------------------------------

>

> > -----

> > > Rockets Wrote:

> > >

> >

> --------------------------------------------------

>

> >

> > > -----

> > > > I did chuckle to myself as I walked down

> > > Melbourne

> > > > Grove today - the residents have done a

> great

> > > job

> > > > decorating the street for Halloween and

> > putting

> > > up

> > > > the gravestones but I love how one of them

> is

> > > > trying to make a point by creating a couple

> > of

> > > > headstones with "Rat Run" on them.....and

> > Cllr

> > > > Newens suggests there is a problem with

> > trolls

> > > > from the anti-closure lobby!!!! ;-)

> > > >

> > > > I wonder if the Rest in Pieces headstone is

> > in

> > > > fact a reference to the businesses on

> > Melbourne

> > > > Grove being impacted by the closures....

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

>

> >

> > >

> > > > 568787456?s=09

> > >

> > > This has not gone unnoticed by the businesses

> > and

> > > I dare say it doesn't feel terribly

> > coincidental

> > > to them given the threats to boycott them

> > > personally and on this very forum. There is

> one

> > > entitled 'Yule Be Next' aimed at a business.

> It

> > > would be understandable if someone took that

> > > personally given the context of what is

> > happening

> > > on the road.

> > >

> > > Tiddles, 'Shat on' does seem quite apt and

> yes

> > > most businesses in DV and ED bar a few are

> > saying

> > > they are struggling since road closures.

> > >

> > > On another note does anyone know if Southwark

> > > Spine Cycling Route is still planned to go

> > ahead?

> > > If it does it might involve removing parking

> > for

> > > Bellenden Road businesses, and putting

> > permeable

> > > filters on Crystal Palace Road among othr

> > changes.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

> https://www.southwark.gov.uk/transport-and-roads/a

>

> >

> > >

> >

> ctive-travel/cycling/cycle-improvements?chapter=3&

>

> >

> > > article

> > >

> > > If they go ahead with Phase 4 in Peckham cars

> > will

> > > be seeking routes through Crystal Palace Road

> > and

> > > residential roads in Peckham where they plan

> to

> > > put this Southwark Spine Route.

> > >

> > > Having had a look at the present cycle routes

> > in

> > > Southwark - with very few east to west just

> > like

> > > Southwark bus routes, that cycling lobbyists

> > would

> > > be satisfied with these road closures. They

> > don't

> > > seem to be serving them either. Surely they

> > would

> > > like to see some proper investment in actual

> > > interlinked cycle paths, rather than short

> > closed

> > > roads which then spit them onto busier more

> > > polluted RMR roads.

> > >

> > > Southwark is giving them cheap as chips

> > planters,

> > > not real routes that go anywhere, and

> everyone

> > > increased pollution and congestion on other

> > roads.

>

>

> I am sure no offence was meant but the Rat Run

> attached is a bit tone deaf considering the shops

> at the end of the road are struggling so much

> because of these closures. I appreciate what you

> might be trying to do but to politicise it and

> revel in the closures seems a little blinkered.

> Keep it on message; don't use it to try to deliver

> a message.

[Nigello]

I liked the efforts made and hoped that more would have been involved. It looked just a bit half-hearted. A bit more welly would have brought more pedestrians down as an ?event?. As it stands, it?s good fun and welcome, just a little bit lacking. 🤷‍♂️

[northernmonkey]

I went for a walk round - compared to any other streets in the area Melbourne Grove was fantastic and I?ve never seen so many people walking round the area. Residents have made a massive effort, they didn?t have to and have chosen to do something nice for the wider community. It was a shame only il mirto was open though - would have thought Big Belly?s could have done some good trade, though maybe it?s not open on Saturdays?

[Dogkennelhillbilly]

> The question at the end: "So who is gaining from

> this in Croydon council?" has also crossed my mind

> - who is gaining from this in Southwark council.

Conspiracy theory...

> Everyone I know hates the plans in the Village.

...and confirmation bias.

[heartblock]

East Dulwich Grove, schools, high density housing, higher percentage of BAME residents than the national average

[heartblock]

Calton road, no schools, houses 2-3 million, lower than the national average of BAME residents. A car park for the wealthy. I imagine those Chelsea Tractors, Mercs, BMWs drive down EDG...

[KidKruger]

heartblock - such a disparity.

It's galling.

[Metallic]

heartblock Wrote:

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> Calton road, no schools, houses 2-3 million, lower

> than the national average of BAME residents. A car

> park for the wealthy. I imagine those Chelsea

> Tractors, Mercs, BMWs drive down EDG...

A car park for the Alleyn's teachers actually. Most on Calton Avenue have off street parking.

[FairTgirl]

Galileo Wrote:

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> I can assure you no offence was intended, in fact

> quite the opposite. An upside to making a

> Halloween walk more enjoyable for all in these

> rubbish times is to increase footfall along the

> road which should hopefully help advertise the

> local businesses. I?m sure there are those who

> will happily sit at their phones and write that

> it?s not enough etc but it has been weeks of

> planning and work by the local community for the

> enjoyment of all, which I am saddened to see you

> have chosen to view as some form of veiled threat.

>

>

> FairTgirl Wrote:

> --------------------------------------------------

> -----

> > Rockets Wrote:

> >

> --------------------------------------------------

>

> > -----

> > > I did chuckle to myself as I walked down

> > Melbourne

> > > Grove today - the residents have done a great

> > job

> > > decorating the street for Halloween and

> putting

> > up

> > > the gravestones but I love how one of them is

> > > trying to make a point by creating a couple

> of

> > > headstones with "Rat Run" on them.....and

> Cllr

> > > Newens suggests there is a problem with

> trolls

> > > from the anti-closure lobby!!!! ;-)

> > >

> > > I wonder if the Rest in Pieces headstone is

> in

> > > fact a reference to the businesses on

> Melbourne

> > > Grove being impacted by the closures....

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

>

>

> >

> > > 568787456?s=09

> >

> > This has not gone unnoticed by the businesses

> and

> > I dare say it doesn't feel terribly

> coincidental

> > to them given the threats to boycott them

> > personally and on this very forum. There is one

> > entitled 'Yule Be Next' aimed at a business. It

> > would be understandable if someone took that

> > personally given the context of what is

> happening

> > on the road.

> >

> > Tiddles, 'Shat on' does seem quite apt and yes

> > most businesses in DV and ED bar a few are

> saying

> > they are struggling since road closures.

> >

> > On another note does anyone know if Southwark

> > Spine Cycling Route is still planned to go

> ahead?

> > If it does it might involve removing parking

> for

> > Bellenden Road businesses, and putting

> permeable

> > filters on Crystal Palace Road among othr

> changes.

> >

> >

> >

> https://www.southwark.gov.uk/transport-and-roads/a

>

> >

> ctive-travel/cycling/cycle-improvements?chapter=3&

>

> > article

> >

> > If they go ahead with Phase 4 in Peckham cars

> will

> > be seeking routes through Crystal Palace Road

> and

> > residential roads in Peckham where they plan to

> > put this Southwark Spine Route.

> >

> > Having had a look at the present cycle routes

> in

> > Southwark - with very few east to west just

> like

> > Southwark bus routes, that cycling lobbyists

> would

> > be satisfied with these road closures. They

> don't

> > seem to be serving them either. Surely they

> would

> > like to see some proper investment in actual

> > interlinked cycle paths, rather than short

> closed

> > roads which then spit them onto busier more

> > polluted RMR roads.

> >

> > Southwark is giving them cheap as chips

> planters,

> > not real routes that go anywhere, and everyone

> > increased pollution and congestion on other

> roads.

If it was weeks in the planning could you not then have found the time to come up with some messages for the gravestones that were neither pointed and political and made no reference whatsover to the road closures? Many many people on the forum and passersbys and business customers picked up on it and commented on it. A family event, if it is truly for the enjoyment of all, is not the time to making points and jibes. This does not come over as supportive of business.

[dulwicheye1]

this is 100% the government and the local council abusing the Trust and Power we the public have given to them.

[KidKruger]

FTG - That's because they do not support your businesses. They prefer a quiet traffic-free precinct (in Zone 2), if it costs a few businesses they do not care.

Please don't expect support from these local residents because it's a hiding to nothing.

"This does not come over as supportive of business."

[Rockets]

FairTgirl Wrote:

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> Galileo Wrote:

> --------------------------------------------------

> -----

> > I can assure you no offence was intended, in

> fact

> > quite the opposite. An upside to making a

> > Halloween walk more enjoyable for all in these

> > rubbish times is to increase footfall along the

> > road which should hopefully help advertise the

> > local businesses. I?m sure there are those who

> > will happily sit at their phones and write that

> > it?s not enough etc but it has been weeks of

> > planning and work by the local community for

> the

> > enjoyment of all, which I am saddened to see

> you

> > have chosen to view as some form of veiled

> threat.

> >

> >

> > FairTgirl Wrote:

> >

> --------------------------------------------------

>

> > -----

> > > Rockets Wrote:

> > >

> >

> --------------------------------------------------

>

> >

> > > -----

> > > > I did chuckle to myself as I walked down

> > > Melbourne

> > > > Grove today - the residents have done a

> great

> > > job

> > > > decorating the street for Halloween and

> > putting

> > > up

> > > > the gravestones but I love how one of them

> is

> > > > trying to make a point by creating a couple

> > of

> > > > headstones with "Rat Run" on them.....and

> > Cllr

> > > > Newens suggests there is a problem with

> > trolls

> > > > from the anti-closure lobby!!!! ;-)

> > > >

> > > > I wonder if the Rest in Pieces headstone is

> > in

> > > > fact a reference to the businesses on

> > Melbourne

> > > > Grove being impacted by the closures....

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

>

> >

> > >

> > > > 568787456?s=09

> > >

> > > This has not gone unnoticed by the businesses

> > and

> > > I dare say it doesn't feel terribly

> > coincidental

> > > to them given the threats to boycott them

> > > personally and on this very forum. There is

> one

> > > entitled 'Yule Be Next' aimed at a business.

> It

> > > would be understandable if someone took that

> > > personally given the context of what is

> > happening

> > > on the road.

> > >

> > > Tiddles, 'Shat on' does seem quite apt and

> yes

> > > most businesses in DV and ED bar a few are

> > saying

> > > they are struggling since road closures.

> > >

> > > On another note does anyone know if Southwark

> > > Spine Cycling Route is still planned to go

> > ahead?

> > > If it does it might involve removing parking

> > for

> > > Bellenden Road businesses, and putting

> > permeable

> > > filters on Crystal Palace Road among othr

> > changes.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

> https://www.southwark.gov.uk/transport-and-roads/a

>

> >

> > >

> >

> ctive-travel/cycling/cycle-improvements?chapter=3&

>

> >

> > > article

> > >

> > > If they go ahead with Phase 4 in Peckham cars

> > will

> > > be seeking routes through Crystal Palace Road

> > and

> > > residential roads in Peckham where they plan

> to

> > > put this Southwark Spine Route.

> > >

> > > Having had a look at the present cycle routes

> > in

> > > Southwark - with very few east to west just

> > like

> > > Southwark bus routes, that cycling lobbyists

> > would

> > > be satisfied with these road closures. They

> > don't

> > > seem to be serving them either. Surely they

> > would

> > > like to see some proper investment in actual

> > > interlinked cycle paths, rather than short

> > closed

> > > roads which then spit them onto busier more

> > > polluted RMR roads.

> > >

> > > Southwark is giving them cheap as chips

> > planters,

> > > not real routes that go anywhere, and

> everyone

> > > increased pollution and congestion on other

> > roads.

>

>

> If it was weeks in the planning could you not then

> have found the time to come up with some messages

> for the gravestones that were neither pointed and

> political and made no reference whatsover to the

> road closures? Many many people on the forum and

> passersbys and business customers picked up on it

> and commented on it. A family event, if it is

> truly for the enjoyment of all, is not the time to

> making points and jibes. This does not come over

> as supportive of business.

FTG those tombstones are so sad. They just could not help themselves could they? Utterly tone-deaf and actually quite reflective of the attitude many of the pro-closure lobby hold towards anyone who does not agree with them. It's actually quite menacing. I do hope whomever is responsible has apologised. Politicising something that was designed to engage with the whole community is shameful.

[n dulwich northerner]

I think I walked past them this morning propped up in the doorway of a house on the western side 1/3 way from EDG.

[legalalien]

I?d consider opposing any application to the council for neighbourhood funding for this next year. Have just shown it to someone who hasn?t been following the ltn issue and they thought the Yule one should be reported to the police.

[nxjen]

Are you saying that the Halloween decorations on Melbourne Grove got Council funding? if so, I don?t think so.