Alan Medic Posted October 25, 2012 Share Posted October 25, 2012 A one time frequent user of the forum, Lady Muck, changed her username to Laddy Muck. How about Laddies for either male or female? Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/26354-ladies-or-women/page/2/#findComment-587030 Share on other sites More sharing options...
pablogrande Posted October 25, 2012 Share Posted October 25, 2012 A one time client of ours called everyone, male or female 'darling' but he called his wife 'mate' they are not together any more Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/26354-ladies-or-women/page/2/#findComment-587032 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClareC Posted October 25, 2012 Share Posted October 25, 2012 It's never occurred to me that the term "lady" could possibly be deemed offensive. Surely it's simply a manner of speech that fits into what is being said as demonstrated in the waiter example.If a stranger of the female gender picked up a book in the library which my toddler dropped, I too would tell my child to thank the lady, it's simply descriptive and sounds nicer than 'woman'. I don't think I've heard any toddler use the word woman. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/26354-ladies-or-women/page/2/#findComment-587033 Share on other sites More sharing options...
???? Posted October 25, 2012 Share Posted October 25, 2012 Thunk of all those song title's ruined by PC GONE MAD Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/26354-ladies-or-women/page/2/#findComment-587034 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan Medic Posted October 25, 2012 Share Posted October 25, 2012 Asset Wrote:-------------------------------------------------------> I object to being referred to as a lady. The more> I hear lady/ladies being used the more it grates> on my sensibilities. > I know it's scary and intimidating for some but> seriously, get in the 21st century. I'm a WOMAN.I take it from this then that you are not a lady. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/26354-ladies-or-women/page/2/#findComment-587036 Share on other sites More sharing options...
LadyDeliah Posted October 25, 2012 Share Posted October 25, 2012 I used to hate lady because of the connotations associated with it, but I now prefer to own it and stamp all over it!What gets me het up though, is anyone declaring that such and such behaviour is not ladylike. So what! I don't want to be ladylike, so bugger off! Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/26354-ladies-or-women/page/2/#findComment-587043 Share on other sites More sharing options...
northlondoner Posted October 25, 2012 Share Posted October 25, 2012 Asset, why is " lady " offensive ? I'm genuinely curious as potential love interest also objects. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/26354-ladies-or-women/page/2/#findComment-587044 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asset Posted October 25, 2012 Author Share Posted October 25, 2012 Nope, are you a lord? I didn't actually say it was offensive merely that I objected. I find it belittling and patronising personally. MrBen - you could just say "follow me please". It would appear I'm in the minority with my opinions but perhaps that's just because it is an insidious yet becoming more outdated way of referring to women and in 50 years it won't be used - unless you are actually a titled lady. I for one do not defund it insulting to called a woman. Now, all you little ladies, I've got stuff to do. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/26354-ladies-or-women/page/2/#findComment-587045 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asset Posted October 25, 2012 Author Share Posted October 25, 2012 * find it Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/26354-ladies-or-women/page/2/#findComment-587046 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MGolden Posted October 25, 2012 Share Posted October 25, 2012 I would hope that in 50 years we won't have 'titled ladies' either. Now that really is an archaic idea ;)Asset Wrote:-------------------------------------------------------> Nope, are you a lord? > I didn't actually say it was offensive merely that> I objected. > I find it belittling and patronising personally. > MrBen - you could just say "follow me please". > It would appear I'm in the minority with my> opinions but perhaps that's just because it is an> insidious yet becoming more outdated way of> referring to women and in 50 years it won't be> used - unless you are actually a titled lady. > I for one do not defund it insulting to called a> woman. > Now, all you little ladies, I've got stuff to do. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/26354-ladies-or-women/page/2/#findComment-587055 Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeckhamRose Posted October 25, 2012 Share Posted October 25, 2012 I also hate the label thing. And when being asked if you are Mrs or Miss, but men don't have to state whether they're married because their label doesn't change.I dislike the connotation thing. Ladies and Gentlemen is fine, men and women is fine, husband and wife is fine. Man and wife? Grrrr. You never hear Woman and Husband!I think they should be abolished; it's class and gender nonsense. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/26354-ladies-or-women/page/2/#findComment-587056 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Otta Posted October 25, 2012 Share Posted October 25, 2012 You'd naturally say "hello ladies" to a group of women. "Hello women" just doesn't work, and they'd think you were being rude. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/26354-ladies-or-women/page/2/#findComment-587065 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chillaxed Posted October 25, 2012 Share Posted October 25, 2012 It's a minefield out there. Opening doors, offering seats, even speaking to someone. Personally, I just go with whatever feels right (generally opening the door, offering the seat, and using 'woman' or 'lady' without conscious thought as to which is more appropriate). If I get it wrong and someone is offended, well, you can't please everybody all the time. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/26354-ladies-or-women/page/2/#findComment-587068 Share on other sites More sharing options...
RosieH Posted October 25, 2012 Share Posted October 25, 2012 It's not rocket science, so I don't know why people are over-complicating and refusing to understand, unless they're genuinely imbeciles.Ladies and gentlemen is fine - it's a form of address. Otta, equally, you wouldn't say "hello men" to a group of men - it sounds ridiculous.But as a description it's asinine. Would you say, "there's a gentleman in my department who..."? No, you'd say, "there's a man in my department". But people persist in saying "lady" in the same circumstances. Or 'lady doctor' and its ilk."Lady" is a loaded term - it implies gentility, refinement, delicacy - it comes with a whole set of messages that piss women off because men aren't subjected to the same set of expectations.If in doubt, where you'd use "man" for the male equivalent, use "woman". Where you'd use "gentleman", use "lady". Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/26354-ladies-or-women/page/2/#findComment-587077 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chillaxed Posted October 25, 2012 Share Posted October 25, 2012 Why would anyone above imbecile level ever be in doubt? It's not rocket science. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/26354-ladies-or-women/page/2/#findComment-587078 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Otta Posted October 25, 2012 Share Posted October 25, 2012 "If in doubt, where you'd use "man" for the male equivalent, use "woman". Where you'd use "gentleman", use "lady"."Well quite, but then I guess some people would use these words where others wouldn't.Have to say though I don't really see the big deal. If people don't like it, then that's up to them I'm not questioning it. It just seems that there are worse things to get het up about. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/26354-ladies-or-women/page/2/#findComment-587082 Share on other sites More sharing options...
*Bob* Posted October 25, 2012 Share Posted October 25, 2012 There are also plenty of women and ladies who like to be girls.It's so confusing. Such strange creatures... Incidentally, rocket science isn't particularly difficult to understand. Not for a man, anyway. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/26354-ladies-or-women/page/2/#findComment-587085 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ted Max Posted October 25, 2012 Share Posted October 25, 2012 Sleazy 70s cock-wielders were always described as Ladies' Men. Tom of Finland types unaware of their latent homo-eroticism were Men's Men. Burt Reynolds was both.I'm not sure what a Women's Man would be. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/26354-ladies-or-women/page/2/#findComment-587102 Share on other sites More sharing options...
*Bob* Posted October 25, 2012 Share Posted October 25, 2012 Similar to a Mummy's Boy.. only with more sex. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/26354-ladies-or-women/page/2/#findComment-587105 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ted Max Posted October 25, 2012 Share Posted October 25, 2012 "He's a real Women's Man, that one. He's always hanging round the feminist bookshop displaying his credentials, the fecking creep." Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/26354-ladies-or-women/page/2/#findComment-587108 Share on other sites More sharing options...
*Bob* Posted October 25, 2012 Share Posted October 25, 2012 That's a Womyn's Man you're thinking of there. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/26354-ladies-or-women/page/2/#findComment-587111 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ted Max Posted October 25, 2012 Share Posted October 25, 2012 Thanks. Just for completion's sake:Mummy's Boys = Madonna-Whore complex and growing collection of screengrabs of Viccy Coren off of "Only Connect" saved to password-protected file on home computer.Plz now to be carrying on with high-minded gender studies debate. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/26354-ladies-or-women/page/2/#findComment-587118 Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Pibe Posted October 25, 2012 Share Posted October 25, 2012 Viccy Coren is the signifier is it huh?Damn.What does a Katy "I Can Cook" Ashworth fetish say about me? Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/26354-ladies-or-women/page/2/#findComment-587124 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan Medic Posted October 25, 2012 Share Posted October 25, 2012 RosieH Wrote: > "Lady" is a loaded term - it implies gentility,> refinement, delicacy - it comes with a whole set> of messages that piss women off because men aren't> subjected to the same set of expectations.'Loaded term' my elbo. Only in your head. Strange creatures as *Bob* said. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/26354-ladies-or-women/page/2/#findComment-587134 Share on other sites More sharing options...
*Bob* Posted October 25, 2012 Share Posted October 25, 2012 *lights pipe and closes library door* Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/26354-ladies-or-women/page/2/#findComment-587136 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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