Bakerloo Line extension petition through Camberwell and Peckham

[James Barber]

I get why people don't want a tube station. With it would come controlled parking, house price rises, busier area.

Flip side would be most people who work being home that much more not fighting their way across town to reach London Bridge station and then the cattle trains out to Peckham Rye or East Dulwich and vice versa.

Personally Id prefer another 30 mins in bed of a morning and being home 30 mins sooner. But not so much that I want to move.

[d.b]

Seems ridiculous that house price rises is used as an objection - basically implying you'll shoot yourself in the foot and avoid making your area nicer, more convenient etc, because of potential rises?

Tackle house prices by building more, cancelling help to buy, possibly controlling rents etc, but don't use it as an objection to making the area nicer.

Not sure there's much evidence the area will be busier. ED is a nice residential spot but it's hardly going to become a "destination" where people come from all over. ED is more like Balham or Putney than Clapham or Brixton.

As the maps posted earlier showed very well, there is a real transport hole here in ED. The world will not end if we fix that.

[JamesViktor]

d.b Wrote:

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> As the maps posted earlier showed very well, there

> is a real transport hole here in ED. The world

> will not end if we fix that.

What about the far worse transport holes in Outer London? At least Southwark has the tube, and it is only just over 10 square miles in area, that's tiny!

[edcam]

But a tube won't make an area "nicer" will it?

[Zebedee Tring]

Are you being ironic, edcam, or deadly serious? If you're being serious, why do you think it is "nicer" not to have the Tube than to have it?

[d.b]

edcam Wrote:

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> But a tube won't make an area "nicer" will it?

"nicer", more desirable, less frustrating, however you want to phrase it it would be an improvement.

JamesViktor Wrote:

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> What about the far worse transport holes in Outer London? At least Southwark has the tube, and it is only just

> over 10 square miles in area, that's tiny!

Hardly comparable, and not really the point. I agree outer london needs transport links too. But, links to outer london will pass through inner london, and overcrowding/delays etc on a line will affect users equally. A new route can benefit both - by reducing congestion and potentially reaching new parts of outer london as well as fixing transport black-spots further in.

[????]

Zebedee Tring Wrote:

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>

> What don't you want, ????? A bonus? A Mercedes?

>

> If you're talking about the tube, what about those

> people who are clearly less fortunate than you and

> who have inferior public transport? Don't you

> care about them? After all, we're all in this

> together.

>

> And why the capital letters? There's no need to

> shout.

WTF are you on about? I travel by bus to work everyday as anyone who actually read my posts would know, you're are a chippy assumptionists aren't you? I don't want a tube because I think it would spoil the vibe of SE22 as I posted earlier and have many times if you read rather than got all high horse about me being an evil capitalist banker. It makes me laugh what people assume about other people because of their user name and/or they didn't worship at the alter of socialism.....

Stop thinking in stereotypes ZT.......

[????]

...and there's plenty of others who share my view including it looks like wavy line and ED Cm, and out's not because we are rich fookers who get chauffeured into work...try reading what people are actually saying maybe next time?

[Zebedee Tring]

????, I have never called you an "evil capitalist banker" (whether on my high horse or low horse) and I have no idea whether you are indeed an evil capitalist banker or a dustman. Or indeed a rock star in disguise.

I have no idea how many times you have posted on EDF that the tube would spoil the vibe of SE22, because it may surprise you to learn that I don't spend my day studying your EDF posts in detail. I do have a life.

"Chippy assumptionist". That's a phrase I haven't heard before. I'll remember to use that in the future when the occasion arises.

[Zebedee Tring]

Perhaps you could translate this into English for me because I have no idea what you're talking about.

You really must calm down. It must be bad for your health.

[????]

zzzzzz

not going to get into one of these on a Friday, you dull old thing.

I don't want a tube because I like areas of London without a tube as they are less transient and have a more community feel IMO, I'm happy travelling on the bus and don't give a toss what happens to the value of the home that I live in as it's my home...

nothing to do with bonuses or Mercedes or anything like that....

Is that ok?

[edcam]

Zebedee Tring Wrote:

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> Are you being ironic, edcam, or deadly serious? If

> you're being serious, why do you think it is

> "nicer" not to have the Tube than to have it?

I'm serious. I find many areas with tube stations very busy and a bit "transient". I think not having a tube in ED keeps it the right side of hectic.

[Medley]

My rule of thumb: 3's not bad at all. 6 is off the chart/central London stuff. 2 is where you've got problems.

[Medley]

And I still don't really get the transient point. I get that right around Tube stations (Highbury, Finsbury Pk to take just two examples) can feel transient and scuzzy. But a couple of streets away you've got areas that don't seem to me to have less of a community feel. Just my opinion.

In any case for me it's really about improved public transport that can cope in the peak, and get me to work easier and quicker. So it's not Tube vs no Tube so much as better vs worse public transport.

I used to live in one of those transport holes - south of P Rye Pk (i.e. Honor Oak) - and then moved over the hill to Honor Oak Park. HOP doesn't have the Tube, but at 16 trains per hour in the morning peak it's got enough of a service, and its transport access is several worlds away from Honor Oak.

[Zebedee Tring]

Ageist as well as insulting. Standards have slipped so much since the rise of the internet

Like you I don't give a toss what happens to the value of the home that I live in as it's my home; it's expensive enough already and I don't sit there gleefully calculating how much it's gone up in value every week. It's just that I would prefer better public transport. Not too much to ask really, but clearly unacceptable to you.

[JamesViktor]

Haha people talking about the tube ruining a non-tube area's "vibe"! Come visit Welling and see how much "vibe" there is out here in Zone 4!

[Zebedee Tring]

Yeah, the "vibe" in Ponders End, one of those areas of North London "lucky" enough not to be on the Tube, is something else.

[????]

Zebedee Tring Wrote:

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> Ageist as well as insulting. Standards have

> slipped so much since the rise of the internet

>

> Like you I don't give a toss what happens to the

> value of the home that I live in as it's my home;

> it's expensive enough already and I don't sit

> there gleefully calculating how much it's gone up

> in value every week. It's just that I would prefer

> better public transport. Not too much to ask

> really, but clearly unacceptable to you.

Er, it's not unacceptable to me at all, it's just not what I want, am I allowed to think differently to you? Apparently not.....

[????]

Hangers Lane - on the Tube - Great vibe,

Stoke Newington, no tube, shitehole

Meaningless comparisons are just that

[Zebedee Tring]

????, I will defend to the death your right to think differently from me.

Detection of irony is clearly not one of your strong points.

[grace3]

Don't worry about it ,there will be three more recessions and a world war before Camberwell has a tube station.

[edcam]

JamesViktor Wrote:

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> Haha people talking about the tube ruining a

> non-tube area's "vibe"! Come visit Welling and see

> how much "vibe" there is out here in Zone 4!

Yes but with all due respect ED is not in zone 4 and is perfectly manageable with the transport links it has. Yes, frustrating sometimes but hardly underserved.

[Earl Aelfheah]

There is a point about the effect a tube can have in changing an area, but I don't think it's inevitable and fundamentally, I need to be able to get to work after dropping kids at nursery in good time.. Something which is becoming increasingly difficult of late with the carnage at London bridge. Buses are fine if you are not in a rush, but I for one would appreciate improvements to transport.

[wavyline girl]

It would appear that if you oppose the local tube station idea, you are described as "selfish."

Well the arguments for a tube, as seen i've seen here, are equally as selfish.

[TJ]

I would strongly support better connections, and would love to see option 1 come to light.

The area around Peckham rye really is in a bit of a no-mans land - we can't even get a bloody bus to go over the hill to Honor Oak!