Peckham Station Refurbishment

[LivinSaarfMan]

Thought I'd share this.... I'm impressed at the engagement effort

Info on station refurbishment and how to get involved and provide feedback. Do Minimum, do Medium and do Maximum proposals are being developed - key decisions are upcoming in the spring/summer.

https://www.networkrail.co.uk/running-the-railway/our-routes/kent/kent-and-south-east-london-railway-upgrade-plan/peckham-rye-station-redevelopment/

To join the mailing list for updates and information about public meetings and design workshops, please email [email protected] and ask to join the mailing list for the Peckham Rye Station upgrade project.

Makes Southwark Council's efforts look poor... anyone know of a better source of info on what is happening than this?

https://www.southwark.gov.uk/regeneration/peckham-and-nunhead/peckham-rye-station-square

[doogsey]

LivinSaarfMan Wrote:

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> I'm impressed at the engagement effort

> Makes Southwark Council's efforts look poor...

Yes well, poor engagement is kind of the council's MO.

Happy to see this going ahead, the new plans look like a bit improvement for passengers.

[James Barber]

Great to see these proposed change.

It has been a very long time coming. 2008 Southwark Council then Lib Dem led proposed significant Peckham Rye station improvements -http://www.peckhamvision.org/blog/?p=237

I hope these plan complete before 2028 !

[jazzer]

These improvements will totally transform the front of station taking it back to probably what it looked like when first built, especially with the large square in the front.

[Nigello]

How lovely! I hope, though, it does not end up like the semi-midden that is the rest of Rye Lane, which ought to have a council committee all to itself to make sure it is free of all the blights it has. Can you imagine Lordship Lane or Camberwell Road/Green being allowed to look like Rye Lane, with the litter, shop waste and vandalism? I suppose it is ok, because poor people don't need to be fussed about a friendly, clean and welcoming place to shop and socialise...? The station may well look great in the end and will be very welcomed but will stick out like a sore thumb if the nearby areas are not returned to an acceptable state.

[DuncanW]

It does look great and hopefully this will be a big step forward,and important keystone in reinvigorating an area that has its issues, as Nigello says above.

[sally buying]

"Hopefully this will be a big step forward,and important keystone in reinvigorating an area that has its issues"

How many times have you seen a house and walls painted and looking pristine and over night it is covered in graffiti

and tags.

The area will only look better if people want it to be.

It would be nice to think the station and Rye Lane could be clean and remain so.

[Nigello]

Leaving it to the world to do as it wishes is not a good idea. A very, very, very small minority of "citizens" are the litterers, fly tippers, vandals so you cannot just shrug your shoulders and say "well, that is the way it is" - too easy and not responsible for a council to do that. Letting teh vandals rule the roost is not a way forward.

[JohnL]

sally buying Wrote:

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> It would be nice to think the station and Rye Lane

> could be clean and remain so.

That won't happen unless something else happens other than painting

I've seen businesses here paint over graffiti again and again - then some give up, some continue to paint.

Painting over though is obviously not the solution.

[Nigello]

It is a solution for some of the time. Doing nothing makes it worse - taht is a fact. Doing something clears it for a short time at the very least and may end up cheesing off the vandals so much they give in. It may seem like a hiding to nowhere but to do nothing is to accept defeat and business owners must take into consideration the fact they leave premises when they lock up and don't have to look at it as they are inside anyway.

[alex_b]

I?ll believe this is going to happen when it?s actually done. PR Station was supposed to be getting step free access back in 2016/2017 and now there are ?proposals? for it to possibly happen almost ten years later. I won?t hold my breath.

[Dogkennelhillbilly]

Nigello Wrote:

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> Can you imagine Lordship Lane or

> Camberwell Road/Green being allowed to look like

> Rye Lane, with the litter, shop waste and

> vandalism? I suppose it is ok, because poor people

> don't need to be fussed...

I agree that Rye Lane is a tip (sometimes literally). Camberwell Green/Road is also mucky, crimey and fairly depressing, and it's not any salubrious, I think...

[JohnL]

Rye Lane has actually improved since I moved here in 2007 in some ways.

I remember the Hope pub looking so forlorn in it's last days.

[Nigello]

I disagree about C Green, Road. It?s much pleasanter there - much less muck and vandalism. Rye Lane is terribly under loved and the council seems to think it best to leave well alone which is a dereliction of duty to a poorer section of the borough.

[fishbiscuits]

I think it's unfair to say that the council neglect Rye Lane. There are street sweepers and litter pickers down there every evening, trying their best to keep it tidy. There are also regularly maintenance staff cleaning/painting graffiti especially around the station and other areas under their remit.

If businesses would stop sweeping their floors out onto the street and take a bit more care of their waste, it would make a big difference.

How can you stop graffiti and other vandalism? It is not easy. A fruit and veg seller on a low margin who works 12 hours a day is hardly going to spend his evenings scraping off graffiti and painting his shutters.

[tomskip]

Peckham Rye was my commuting station when I travelled to Victoria for work 20 years ago (prior to maternity leave and career change after having children). Since then I've travelled from East Dulwich or Forest Hill for years. This week I had to go to Peckham Rye for a London Bridge train (as Southern have stopped providing the service from Forest Hill for reasons best known to themselves). I was quite looking forward to seeing the old gaff as I heard big things were planned for the station and surrounding areas. Couldn't believe how dismal and filthy it still is! After all this time! and the graffiti wasn't there 20 years ago either. Nasty.

[Nigello]

fishbiscuits - there is such a thing as professional and civic pride that cannot be measured against earnings, I think. Even if I did agree with you I would still wonder why the council does not do more to help such businesses. Other parts of the borough are much, much cleaner and have been, I think, systematically helped via some kind of intervention. Peckham deserves the same.

tomskip - yes, it is a midden and looks/smells like the day after the end of days in parts. It is a great shame as it is lively and well-used and the shops are pretty varied and useful to many people.