"Vote Them Out May 2022" flyer

[malumbu]

Hello, have you joined us on the Lounge? I think a good thing to broaden the discussion but sadly probably the kiss of death

[diable rouge]

Fook off back to where you come from, comin' over 'ere and stealing our thread space...

[ab29]

I will vote anyone who promises to remove LTN - unjust and harming vanity project that should have never ever been implemented.

[Waseley]

So you are not bothered about their other policies? The Tories introduced the initiative. Labour implemented it. LDs would like to support such initiatives but have lost any USP and still suffering from their time in the coalition.

[Earl Aelfheah]

Waseley Wrote:

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> So you are not bothered about their other

> policies? The Tories introduced the initiative.

> Labour implemented it. LDs would like to support

> such initiatives but have lost any USP and still

> suffering from their time in the coalition.

The zeal should not surprise you. Just look at this forum. It's been completely taken over by people obsessed with their 'right' to cut down any side street they like in their cars - They've even managed to convince themselves that having cars dominate every part of Dulwich will somehow increase active travel and reduce traffic (regardless of all data to the contrary).

[Earl Aelfheah]

Personally, I am hoping that Johnson's government will get a firm message from the voters that there time is coming to an end.

[Spartacus]

Rah x3

Maybe look on the main thread about the no 12 service being reduced and ask yourself why people are wed to their cars when public transport isn't as great here as it should be.

Whilst active travel is an admirable goal, good reliable public transport is also essential to convince people to get out of their cars.

One size doesn't fit all regarding getting around but this thread is focusing on the leaflet produced by a group of residents objecting to one measure that they believe isn't working, not the right to drive but the right to have consultation over the right way to share the space for all.

[heartblock]

rah x 3 with the same old..maybe people oppose LTNs because they want less pollution and traffic on their roads rather than the requirement to drive on any road....if you want less cars, go talk to the people who own multiple vehicles on Gilkes and Calton.

I'm happy for all private cars to be banned in the whole of Southwark! Not sure the second home - Range Rover owning - gated road living types would agree..

[JohnL]

I watched Ian Hislop's analysis of fake news today and he stated it isn't what the argument is but who is telling you what to believe and why. If I don't know who is telling me something then I should really disregard it - and especially so if its something I want to believe.

[Earl Aelfheah]

I see many of the same people claiming to oppose LTNs because somehow more cars means less pollution (?!), are also railing against the ULEZ 🤷‍♂️

[Earl Aelfheah]

heartblock Wrote:

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> rah x 3 with the same old..maybe people oppose

> LTNs because they want less pollution and traffic

> on their roads rather than the requirement to

> drive on any road....if you want less cars, go

> talk to the people who own multiple vehicles on

> Gilkes and Calton.

> I'm happy for all private cars to be banned in the

> whole of Southwark! Not sure the second home -

> Range Rover owning - gated road living types would

> agree..

Trust me, the vast majority of Range Rover owners in Dulwich are against any restrictions on driving. I?m not sure who you think makes up most of the ?One? membership, but have a walk about and look in the driveways of those displaying ?One? placards and posters. If you support more radical restrictions on private car use, I suspect you?re aligning with the wrong people.

[Spartacus]

Rah x3

Your use of language and structure of sentences plus your referral to "Range Rovers" makes me wonder if you and Dog Kennel HillBilly know each other

Again, the reason people are against the LTN, is not so they can drive bigger cars but because

1. They are pushing traffic into smaller number of roads (the council fantasy of car evaporation didn't happen)

2. They were introduced without consultation and when they were consulted on the council ignored the results.

Personally, as stated before, closing roads without looking at the bigger picture is short sighted and builds resentment which is possibly why the leaflet was produced.

Roads should be viewed in terms of how everyone can share them, not just a few able bodied or the young can

[JohnL]

As the campaign for May local elections starts

Boris seems obsessed with culture war stuff but he is distracted by a real war

Starmer is not saying much at all - but maybe that will work

Lib Dems definitely saying stuff (I saw Ed Davy on TV) but is anybody listening

Sombody has leaked/manufactured this story about Sunak's wife which will not go down well as you can't help but wonder what his plans would be after leaving politics - so many ex-politicians leave this country.

[legalalien]

The Dulwich Society has compiled a list of candidates in Dulwich wards

https://www.dulwichsociety.com/news/local-elections-may-2022

[Sue]

legalalien Wrote:

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> The Dulwich Society has compiled a list of

> candidates in Dulwich wards

>

> https://www.dulwichsociety.com/news/local-election

> s-may-2022

I'm sorry James Barber isn't standing.

[hammerman]

James Barber? Wasn't he part of the problem when the Lib Dems decided to put up university tuition fees some years ago from ?3,000 per year to ?9,000? Three of my kids are now having to pay for this whilst another two have much less to pay. Another reason why I wouldn't vote for the Lib Dems even though they are promising to do away with the Local Traffic restrictions all over Southwark.

[JohnL]

If you associate James Barber with National Liberal Democrat policy in the early 2010s which you can do (I think the CON-DEM alliance was a huge mistake and they should have stuck with Gordon Brown in 2010)

(that is a mistake for the Lib Dems)

you must associate the current Tory candidates with Johnson and Sunak.

I think many will vote on National issues.

[Sue]

hammerman Wrote:

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> James Barber? Wasn't he part of the problem when

> the Lib Dems decided to put up university tuition

> fees some years ago from ?3,000 per year to

> ?9,000? Three of my kids are now having to pay

> for this whilst another two have much less to pay.

> Another reason why I wouldn't vote for the Lib

> Dems even though they are promising to do away

> with the Local Traffic restrictions all over

> Southwark.

James Barber was a very good and proactive councillor.

So I believe is James McCash (spelling?)

In local elections I don't necessarily vote the way I would at a general election, and I suspect (I have no evidence) that others are the same.

Does anyone know anything about the Green candidates? I have got a postal vote (which I don't remember applying for) and I've got to post it soon.

[eastdulwichrover]

Well, having seen that the Dulwich Society have a full list of candidates up, you'd have thought that this supposedly helpful "vote them out" site would have been updated to reflect the choices people have in the area if they oppose LTNs - you know, that's what they said their campaign was all about.

You'll be surprised to hear that this site does not in fsct have any information of this kind on it aside from - yes you guessed it - another couple of sympathetic profiles of Tories standing in one of the other wards. Nothing anywhere on Green candidates.

Looks like this isn't really the helpful voting advice website it sold itself as, unless by "helpful" we mean "helpful to the Tories".

I mean, maybe this campaign coincidentally ran out of energy after they went round the entire area just before campaigning proper started, handing out their leaflets produced by "J Smith" who lives at a PO Box.

Or maybe it was an obvious deniable Tory front operation. I guess we will never know unless "J Smith" tells us themself.