The Cherry Tree Pub CLOSED? Drinker Disaster

[Brideshead]

Cherry Tree Pub on Grove Vale NEWSFLASH

Tonight, Thursday 21st April CLOSURE

?Pub Closed due to Kitchen Gas Leak?

Hmmm. Sure that?s not because of no customers due to stratospheric prices?🧐🧐🧐

Only joking? love the cherry tree especially staff members Will & Leo, really top guys!😉😉😉

Alternatives:

East Dulwich Tavern

Lordship Lane roundabout 2 minutes further down Grove Vale

Or

The Fox on the Hill Wetherspoon

42 bus get off Champion Hill

185, 176, 40, 484 bus get off Denmark Hill

Hope Cherry Tree reopens soon

Management: Maybe an opportunity to reduce those prices a bit? 😜

Happy Drinking EDF-ers 🍻🍻🙂

[smooch]

If you had any idea of the sh*t show that is hitting pubs at the moment you might be more sympathetic.

All the goods they sell have rocketed in price

Staff are very hard to find so simple economics means those costs have also risen

Rents up

Utilities - probably doubled at least if not tripled

Please support your locals pubs - believe me they are not taking the proverbial but are trying to keep their heads above water......

They do not have anything like the resources of Wetherspoons and co.

[CPR Dave]

I think that Young's actually do have the resources that Wetherspoons have.

They are worth over half a billion pounds on the stock exchange and own quote a lot of pubs beyond the cherry tree.

[smooch]

Yes CPR Dave - the brewery's are very rich indeed - but the pubs do not benefit from this - they are viewed as an external customer who has to pay their going rates - most of which have recently risen.

[jazzer]

Its called the economics of business, make a profit and trade, make losses/substantial losses and its time to call it a day and shut up shop.

[CPR Dave]

Youngs don't operate like that though smooch. Their pubs are managed freeholds. They don't have tenanted pubs

[Chick]

I was told by a pub manager the pubs were all closed because a traveller's funeral was taking place. Anti traveller bigotry-the last socially acceptable racism.

[jazzer]

Maybe that was the reason for the closure of Camberwell Old Cemetery on Thursday?

[KidKruger]

?and some Nunhead pubs, citing same reason (several hundred travellers expected, apparently).

[Penguin68]

Maybe that was the reason for the closure of Camberwell Old Cemetery on Thursday?

There are some fine Traveller plots there.

[JohnL]

Chick Wrote:

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> I was told by a pub manager the pubs were all

> closed because a traveller's funeral was taking

> place. Anti traveller bigotry-the last socially

> acceptable racism.

I was in the Angel Oak and it was definitely open

Strangely no Camden Hells.

[Brideshead]

False closure theory

Well my friend who lives opposite cherry tree told me NO British Gas vehicle or trade vehicle or emergency vehicle turned up there Thursday or Friday morning whatsoever. His window FACES the pub.

Reopened Friday as normal.

Curious & curiouser.

Prices

Of course breweries are facing huge cost pressures but this applies to all pubs & bars. As of today Saturday the Cherry Tree is completely empty - Sat 1740hrs - whereas at the exact same time the EDT is overflowing with drinkers filling all outside seating. They don?t charge anywhere near as much so make your own conclusions.

[JohnL]

The Cherry Tree has always been empty as long as I remember except after football matches - when I first came to this area the then landlord was not popular on here (that takes me back)

I'm sad it never really got popular as its a great space.

[Sue]

JohnL Wrote:

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> The Cherry Tree has always been empty as long as I

> remember except after football matches - when I

> first came to this area the then landlord was not

> popular on here (that takes me back)

>

> I'm sad it never really got popular as its a great

> space.

The then landlord was not popular on here for many good reasons.

Including fake posts on here bigging up his own pub and slagging off other local pubs.

"Crushed and devalued" was how the fake poster described s/he (not sure which, his wife was also involved) felt after visiting another local pub, can't remember which one.

It was a running joke on the forum for a time.

Then there was a lovely couple who were really turning the pub around, and also brought in a really excellent chef. It was them who renamed it The Cherry Tree.

The aforementioned unpopular landlord (who unfortunately at that time also owned the pub) did not seem to like someone else bringing in more customers than he had, and he kicked them out.

Either he also kicked out the excellent chef or the chef left in protest/solidarity, can't remember which.

There was then a load of further argy bargy and mudslinging on here.

Oh those were the days 🤣

Then eventually Mr Unpopular sold the pub. Sighs of relief all round.

But as regards the EDT, I suspect the problem is not just pricing but location. Also the EDT is just generally a nicer pub, in my opinion. The main advantage The Cherry Tree has is its garden.

[Sue]

KidKruger Wrote:

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> ?and some Nunhead pubs, citing same reason

> (several hundred travellers expected, apparently).

Really? What day was that?

[ianr]

Sue Wrote:

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>

> "Crushed and devalued" was how the fake poster

> described s/he (not sure which, his wife was also

> involved) felt after visiting another local pub,

> can't remember which one.

>

> It was a running joke on the forum for a time.

Is this the original document? https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/forum/read.php?5,279511

[KidKruger]

Thursday, same day as OP.

Sue Wrote:

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> KidKruger Wrote:

> --------------------------------------------------

> -----

> > ?and some Nunhead pubs, citing same reason

> > (several hundred travellers expected,

> apparently).

>

> Really? What day was that?

[sandyman]

EDT has beer garden too:

https://www.instagram.com/p/Cciz_xgoNQx/

Sue Wrote:

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> JohnL Wrote:

> --------------------------------------------------

> -----

> > The Cherry Tree has always been empty as long as

> I

> > remember except after football matches - when I

> > first came to this area the then landlord was

> not

> > popular on here (that takes me back)

> >

> > I'm sad it never really got popular as its a

> great

> > space.

>

> The then landlord was not popular on here for many

> good reasons.

>

> Including fake posts on here bigging up his own

> pub and slagging off other local pubs.

>

> "Crushed and devalued" was how the fake poster

> described s/he (not sure which, his wife was also

> involved) felt after visiting another local pub,

> can't remember which one.

>

> It was a running joke on the forum for a time.

>

> Then there was a lovely couple who were really

> turning the pub around, and also brought in a

> really excellent chef. It was them who renamed it

> The Cherry Tree.

>

> The aforementioned unpopular landlord (who

> unfortunately at that time also owned the pub) did

> not seem to like someone else bringing in more

> customers than he had, and he kicked them out.

>

> Either he also kicked out the excellent chef or

> the chef left in protest/solidarity, can't

> remember which.

>

> There was then a load of further argy bargy and

> mudslinging on here.

>

> Oh those were the days 🤣

>

> Then eventually Mr Unpopular sold the pub. Sighs

> of relief all round.

>

> But as regards the EDT, I suspect the problem is

> not just pricing but location. Also the EDT is

> just generally a nicer pub, in my opinion. The

> main advantage The Cherry Tree has is its garden.

[Sue]

🤣🤣🤣

[Sue]

ianr Wrote:

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> Sue Wrote:

> ----------

> >

> > "Crushed and devalued" was how the fake poster

> > described s/he (not sure which, his wife was

> also

> > involved) felt after visiting another local

> pub,

> > can't remember which one.

> >

> > It was a running joke on the forum for a time.

>

> Is this the original document?

> https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/forum/read.php?

> 5,279511

Crikey, well done ianr, I thought all those old posts were lost when the forum was updated!

Yes, that's it!

The landlord was also a grumpy man with an unpleasant manner, and the ale was not well kept. But if you complained about the crap beer, you were told there was nothing wrong with it.

I've just re-read that whole thread. It's so funny. And nostalgic. All those old forum names!

[Brideshead]

Well after much consideration my own personal opinion is that the ?Gas Leak? single day temporary closure, on the evidence, WAS a lie. That is most likely because of plain & simple discrimination against the Traveller Community.

If I can be shown evidence from a gas engineer/ fire brigade to the contrary, I?ll happily change my opinion.

That being said a business telling lies to the public? looks like the new manager isn?t much better.

?Gas leak? sounds a bit of a fake excuse. Why not just say ?Temporary Closure. Apologies?? Why the disrespectful silly lies? Makes you wonder what else they?re up to, hey? what goes on out of sight, before your drink &/or food gets brought out.

😱😱😱 eek!

[Chick]

A pub manager told me it was because of a travelers funeral. Anti traveler bigotry-the last socially acceptable racism. Had it been a black or Asian or LGBT funeral that would have broken race relation law/anti discrimination law.

Brideshead Wrote:

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> Well after much consideration my own personal

> opinion is that the ?Gas Leak? single day

> temporary closure, on the evidence, WAS a lie.

> That is most likely because of plain & simple

> discrimination against the Traveller Community.

>

> If I can be shown evidence from a gas engineer/

> fire brigade to the contrary, I?ll happily change

> my opinion.

>

> That being said a business telling lies to the

> public? looks like the new manager isn?t much

> better.

>

> ?Gas leak? sounds a bit of a fake excuse. Why not

> just say ?Temporary Closure. Apologies?? Why the

> disrespectful silly lies? Makes you wonder what

> else they?re up to, hey? what goes on out of

> sight, before your drink &/or food gets brought

> out.

> 😱😱😱 eek!

[JohnL]

Brideshead Wrote:

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> Well after much consideration my own personal

> opinion is that the ?Gas Leak? single day

> temporary closure, on the evidence, WAS a lie.

> That is most likely because of plain & simple

> discrimination against the Traveller Community.

>

> If I can be shown evidence from a gas engineer/

> fire brigade to the contrary, I?ll happily change

> my opinion.

>

> That being said a business telling lies to the

> public? looks like the new manager isn?t much

> better.

>

> ?Gas leak? sounds a bit of a fake excuse. Why not

> just say ?Temporary Closure. Apologies?? Why the

> disrespectful silly lies? Makes you wonder what

> else they?re up to, hey? what goes on out of

> sight, before your drink &/or food gets brought

> out.

> 😱😱😱 eek!

2015: https://www.theguardian.com/business/2018/jul/02/wetherspoon-backs-campaign-against-traveller-and-gypsy-discrimination

2019: https://www.travellerstimes.org.uk/news/2019/08/traveller-anger-shops-and-pubs-close-across-two-counties-day-girls-funeral

[KidKruger]

Was this socially acceptable racism or landlords? fear of trouble and cost of damage ?

Reason this seems an obvious question is if you?re a landlord after a harsh pandemic, with running costs rising weekly, would you seriously turn down the chance of selling 100?s of additional drinks just cos you?re not a fan of a particular demographic ?

Sounds like bad business husbandry if that?s your sole reason, and time to find another trade !

[CPR Dave]

Lots of other pubs were open as normal that day though.