Penalty Charge.. watch vid, is this fair?

[floradora]

If you've got 2 mins & nothing better to do, watch this vid and tell me is this fair / have I got a hope in hell of winning an appeal (Have already had it rejected once, so it's round 2)

I am at Herne Hill, in the silver car, double parked basically waiting for a guy a couple of cars down to pull out of his space (he has gestured to me to say he's just loading his boot and then he'll be off). I'm desperate for his space because there are no others and I've got a heavy cage to carry into the vets right beside that row of cars and a toddler in the back. I'm there, sat in the car, for no longer than 2 minutes while the guy (who you can see moving across the page wheeling something)loads up and pulls off. I then move into his space. Job done.

A week later I get a ticket and a ?65 fine which goes up to ?130 tomorrow. I've appealed once. Rejected. Lambeth say I was causing an obstruction to vehicles and a possible obstruction to emergency vehicles (well no I'm not as you can clearly see cars passing me and it also happens to be a dead end so hardly going to have emergency vehicles trying to speed through) Seconds after the video stops I pull into the empty space but of course they don't show that bit.

What's the verdict.

Pay ?65 or appeal again?

http://parkingphotos.lambeth.gov.uk/viewDetails.asp?id=4

[floradora]

http://parkingphotos.lambeth.gov.uk/viewDetails.asp?id=4

Video link

[edcam]

The link doesn't work without a login but if you're effectively double parked for 2 minutes then you don't really have a leg to stand on.

[ianr]

If you want to look for any possibly relevant judgments, there's a PATAS key cases page at http://keycases.parkingandtrafficappeals.gov.uk/.

[kford]

Try here too:

http://forums.pepipoo.com/index.php?showforum=30

[Loz]

Councils routinely reject appeals out of hand. Taking it to PATAS is the only real method of appeal.

[KidKruger]

Guilty.

Pay the fine and don't do it again.

Next.

[Jeremy]

I feel bad for you, because it obviously seemed as though you weren't doing any harm.

But unfortunately, if you've caught on camera breaking the rules, you don't really have any choice but to pay the fine and put it down to experience.

[right-clicking]

Guilty before proven innocent is the councils way of extorting revenue for it's coffers, These enforcement cameras are nothing more than cash generators and do little to ease traffic flow or address parking issues, Fight it all the way!!

Had there been a parking warden then it would have been down to his discretion, maybe he/she would have advised you going around the block?

[the-e-dealer]

We need the PCN Number and your reg to view this.

[edcam]

right-clicking Wrote:

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> Guilty before proven innocent is the councils way

> of extorting revenue for it's coffers, These

> enforcement cameras are nothing more than cash

> generators and do little to ease traffic flow or

> address parking issues, Fight it all the way!!

Not good advice because unfortunately she won't win. Whether you agree with the rules or not they were broken in this instance, so to fight it would be futile and more expensive than just paying up.

[the-e-dealer]

unless there's a technicality. Incorrect signage or text in the notice for example.

[the-e-dealer]

Try this site!

http://www.penaltychargenotice.co.uk/

[Loz]

What was the contravention code on the PCN?

[Salsaboy]

Fight the bastards. I have and won on a few occasions.

[floradora]

Thanks for all the advice and helpful websites. Sadly I decided to pay the fine as it seemed I had little chance of winning.

And the lesson is ....don't wait for someone to move out of a space. Keep moving at all times.

[intexasatthe moment]

Sympathies flora .

I would feel exactly the same as you .