Street Food

[Louisa]

If its not trendy students or middle class yuppies it's bloody northerners - will any of London's traditions survive?

Louisa.

[StraferJack]

"will any of London's traditions survive? "

the millenia old London tradition of being the world's melting pot, and evolving constantly will survive, don't you worry about that

[El Pibe]

strawberry syrup with that sir?

[Louisa]

SJ that's not entirely true as you well know. The reality is that the working class communities are gradually being pushed out of inner London into suburbia and being replaced by the cash rich investing in and 'gentrifying' a doughnut surrounding central London and the city. So that outdated view of class, which I'm often criticised for, is more polarised and apparent today than it ever was in the past.

My prediction is in 20 years from now the only social housing will be limited to large estates on the periphery of the M25 (either side of it) and almost all of London will be a bland middle England enclave shutting out the 'real world' and living in a bubble.

Louisa.

[StraferJack]

"SJ that's not entirely true as you well know. "

I'm sorry - what's not true about what i said? The rest of your post goes on about something completely different

[KidKruger]

I still don't get how an enquiry about tasty street food stalls has morphed into (at best) a class-struggle monologue.

Are you seriously saying that working class people cannot afford a hotdog or pork roast bun from the market ?!

Is that because after buying the week's ciggies and booze, the pot's empty ?

There's no class-struggle relevance to street food or it's history.

The poorest people would never have eaten food from a street stall or a shop if they could make it, or something else, cheaper themselves.

[Louisa]

SJ once again you are not addressing my key point, something which has been at the centre of my entire EDF posting life according to you? And to be fair, relates back to my on-topic point about street food and class.

So you address those points then I will address yours.

Louisa.

[El Pibe]

Is the real world the bit that drinks unpretentious coffee?

Does that make Gareth Hunt the very epitome of humanity?

[Louisa]

KidKruger Wrote:

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> I still don't get how an enquiry about tasty

> street food stalls has morphed into (at best) a

> class-struggle monologue.

> Are you seriously saying that working class people

> cannot afford a hotdog or pork roast bun from the

> market ?!

> Is that because after buying the week's ciggies

> and booze, the pot's empty ?

> There's no class-struggle relevance to street food

> or it's history.

> The poorest people would never have eaten food

> from a street stall or a shop if they could make

> it, or something else, cheaper themselves.

KidKruger, not just working class people, I'm surprised anyone can afford a pork bun or hotdog for between 6-12 quid! Burger and hotdog vans charge a lot less and it's the same thing. And yes class is important here, because these posh street vans only pop up to satisfy the needs of people who wish to be smug about paying a bomb for the same product you can get for half the price down the road!

Louisa.

[*Bob*]

My knob is 10 - 18 inches long.

[Louisa]

*Bob* I bet it's not as long as a 'street food' hotdog.

Louisa.

[RosieH]

?4 for a hog roast, that fairly makes my day - cheaper than a MaccerD's

[*Bob*]

No Rosie, it's ?6-?12. SIX TO TWELVE.

la-la-la-la louisa can't hear you la la la la la la

[Louisa]

RosieH Wrote:

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> ?4 for a hog roast, that fairly makes my day -

> cheaper than a MaccerD's

I bet you dot get fries and a drink with it , which for 4 quid will get you a meal deal in McD's.

Louisa.

[KidKruger]

taking your hotdog example, the ?6 is top-end on NorthCross Rd, there are NO dogs on sale for > ?7.

So your phrasing on cost is plain wrong.

Where 'down the road' can a hotdog be got from a van for ?3 - where do I walk from NorthCross to get it ?

Wherever the mystery working-class hotdog van is, it won't import it's wieners, cook/reduce it's relishes, offer anything near the selection of dogs.

Your challenges seem unfounded and inflated to support an argument that doesn't need to be had !!

[El Pibe]

yes, but it's an argument that fulfils a need, and far too many have been had ;-)

[Louisa]

You can get a hotdog from a van on any number of trading/retail estates within a 20 minute walk from the centre of ED, and not just on a weekend either. My costing isn't plain wrong and I'm not talking about specific fast food stalls in specific locations here, I'm talking about a 'type' of stall which is aimed at people who wish to pay a fortune for something which is what it is. Dressing it up with fancy phrases or homemade sauces doesn't detract from the fact it's just a hotdog, it's just a burger.

And KK this argument does need to be had. All we hear on this forum is a constant over hype of everything aimed at a specific group of people and their needs in the SE22 area. There are plenty of decent places to buy food, many of which rarely get a mention on this forum.

People on this very thread have tried using pretentious phrases to describe omelettes for example, coffee, it's just plain annoying.

Louisa.

[KidKruger]

Well it was sounding like she's been caning the acid. Literally no pertinent points being raised, just distraction.

[RosieH]

Louisa Wrote:

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> RosieH Wrote:

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> -----

> > ?4 for a hog roast, that fairly makes my day -

> > cheaper than a MaccerD's

>

>

> I bet you dot get fries and a drink with it ,

> which for 4 quid will get you a meal deal in

> McD's.

>

> Louisa.

?4.50 with a can of pop then. The sandwich is as big as a quarter pounder and chips, so the no chips argument is void.

[RosieH]

How is frittata (Italian word) any more pretentious than omelette (french word)?

They're made completely differently - it's like calling a paella a pretentious risotto.

Facile.

[Louisa]

RosieH Wrote:

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> How is frittata (Italian word) any more

> pretentious than omelette (french word)?

>

> They're made completely differently - it's like

> calling a paella a pretentious risotto.

>

> Facile.

Oh come off it RosieH, you know exactly how such terms can be patronising and pretentious. And the person who posted that comment was deliberately trying to be exactly that when using that comment in a completely unrelated context.

Who goes home from work and says "ooh lets knock up a frittata for tea" - no one that's who! It's basically an omelette with a few added extras. Just as pizza and cheese on toast are pretty much the same thing minus the tomato base. Everything needs to be put into context.

Louisa.

[StraferJack]

I think HAL is having a major malfunction

[titch juicy]

these street burgers and hot dogs cost between ?6 and ?342

so that's ?6.50 then

[Louisa]

KidKruger Wrote:

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> Well it was sounding like she's been caning the

> acid. Literally no pertinent points being raised,

> just distraction.

What does caning the acid mean? I have made some very pertinent point, they've been instantly dismissed by people on here because they do not want to talk about how food and class have merged into one.

I cannot be accused of being classist when it comes to shops - I'd happily love to see Waitrose open a store around here, but unlike some I am more than happy to shop at Iceland too.

Louisa.

[titch juicy]

in which case why aren't you happy to buy food from a street vendor, as well as at a traditional working class greasy spoon or pie n mash shop?

surely waitrose are stamping all over the traditional local working class greengrocers and corner newsagents?