Beware of penalty charge notice

[jam_log]

Ive treated myself to a new car not two weeks ago... today pops into my post box a penalty charge notice, for being in a queue of traffic (surprise, surprise) on Lordship lane for my back wheels being in a yellow box! Near the Bishop and east dulwich grove

Its my fault from the pictures, but just FYI big brother is always watching!

took the shine of the joy of a new car.. thats for sure!

[Loz]

Hmmm. Yellow box law is not straightforward. Just because you have been pictured in the box, doesn't mean you have contravened the law.

[DulwichFox]

I have sat in the Bishop and outside the Bishop and watched people being caught out.

The problem is there is a crossing Before the junction. So when the lights go green for the

motorist and they pull forwards across the crossing and into the 'Box' and then someone turns

left out off East Dulwich Grove they block the exit from the box. (Caught on Camera)

If when the lights go green the driver pulls forward and stops befor the box.. they find themselves

blocking the crossing. (Caught on Camera)..

You cannot win..

Yet another deliberate clever ploy to catch motorists.. and Only that.

Fox.

[lesalden]

The law says when entering the box you must have a "reasonable expectation" of being able to leave it. If someone nips in front of you from ED Grove then your expectation has been frustrated. Seems a good defence to me.

[spanglysteve]

Indeed, I actually blocked a yellow box on my driving test and still passed, precisiely because someone turned in infront of me blocking the space that existed as I pulled into the box. Unless they have video evidence, they will find it extremely difficult to charge you and they know it. Refuse to pay on these grounds.

lesalden Wrote:

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> The law says when entering the box you must have a

> "reasonable expectation" of being able to leave

> it. If someone nips in front of you from ED Grove

> then your expectation has been frustrated. Seems a

> good defence to me.

[northlondoner]

I was pictured similarly

in a box on embankment. Parking appeals service tore up the ticket because the box didbt conform to regulations

[UncleBen]

Don't break traffic laws and you won't get fined. Do not understand why drivers think they're above the law, or laws are ok to break.

[northlondoner]

Gosh I hadn't thought of that. Fascinating point.

[Jeremy]

UncleBen, have you actually read the other posts?

[Chillaxed]

Was driving along Beckenham high road at the weekend and the same thing happened to me. There was one space beyond the yellow box, I crossed, then a Porsche turned into the sapce and left me hanging. I politely let the driver know he'd nutmegged me (shrug of shoulders) and he gave me a furious finger in return, then over-revved big time in pulling away (inevitably to brake hard about 10 yards down the road). I just don't get these guys.

[wongo]

Enforceable and unenforceable yellow box junctions:

http://ticketfighter.co.uk/yellow-box-junctions/

[jam_log]

I posted yesterday and though, lets have alook where the EDF has gone with that thread.... thanks for not letting me down UncleBen! Wise words!

[Willard]

jam_log Wrote:

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> I posted yesterday and though, lets have alook

> where the EDF has gone with that thread.... thanks

> for not letting me down UncleBen! Wise words!

Agreed, just ignore the troll. I would consider appealing though based on the other comments.

[Chick]

wongo Wrote:

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> Enforceable and unenforceable yellow box

> junctions:

>

> http://ticketfighter.co.uk/yellow-box-junctions/

Thanks for this website.

[Freddy1929]

UncleBen Wrote:

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> Don't break traffic laws and you won't get fined.

> Do not understand why drivers think they're above

> the law, or laws are ok to break.

we agree again UncleBen.......

[EDOliver]

If I ever think that I might get stranded in a yellow box I drive incredibly slowly until the space ahead clears. Surely as long as you don't actually stop they can't fine you.

[JohnL]

EDOliver Wrote:

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> If I ever think that I might get stranded in a

> yellow box I drive incredibly slowly until the

> space ahead clears. Surely as long as you don't

> actually stop they can't fine you.

My plan too.

problem is if you don't see it coming due to chaos on the road

( I was driving through Loampit Vale the other day and it

was a free for all - won't be going back there). How do the

cameramen react to chaos - penalise everybody.