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not just you shosh - I'm well chuffed he beat Hilary but he has a scary 5 months ahead. Fingers crossed he beats McCain too


I'm quite enjoying his 2006 book as well - but I do worry about what happens to people when they get in - and Obama is such an idealist it seems too good to be true - I worry the only way is down. But then I think of the alternative and I breathe again

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seanmc... completely agree on all points. he not only has the next election to get through... he has 4 (at least) years in washington.

incidently,i also fear for his safety constantly. there are so many racist nutters in the US, and they are allowed to own guns! he's a brave man indeed.

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oh shosh - I don't think you stand a chance with this Milwall v West Ham soccer slang


and citizenEd - I know you too well to think this - but for the galleries - when you say "conservative, redneck America" you mean the "pockets of" right?


As for Obama's personal safety - well, it does tend to be the good ones that get killed - MLK, Ghandi, Lennon - all killed. Reagan? wounded.....

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atila the gooner Wrote:

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> I really don't believe he will be the first black

> president of the USA, I still believe America is

> too right wing to allow it.


What, all of America? Every last man jack of them. The blacks who may be motivated to vote for 'their' candidate?

The much derided liberals? The fact he's the first black prospect is significant, is it not?

What's more interesting than his race is that he does not seem to be beholden to too many vested interests for his campaign.

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But that is the question though, isn't it? It's not so much in the sense of ready as in "advanced" enough to have a woman or a black man, but in the sense of "brave" enough. Perhaps they go with the status quo of having a moron run the country rather than have the guts to make that symbolic change.
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Have to say "no" to Hilary as the running mate. I get the feeling that she will hang around anyway and will never go away but given leverage to promote herself, she will - at Obama's expense


jumpinjackflash - when the articles say "is the country ready for.." the question is - if it was a white male running against McCain the odds of a Democratic victory shorten. There are pockets - in many countries - which don't take kindly to giving power to anybody other than white males. Sadly, you won't have to dig very deep to find some democrats change sides, because they now have a black candidate.

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I just can't see Obama winning saldy. He's a much stronger candidate than John Kerry, but in the end I see middle America playing it safe.


They'll think, yes Bush screwed up our economy, pushed up oil prices, oversaw the banks screwing everything up, spent our children's inheritance on stupid wars and basically handed our hegemony to the Chinese....BUT McCain might be better.


...or something....


It's 1992 (for us) all over again.

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I'm inclined to pessimism - but this time I have a hunch that America is more like UK in '97 (hopefully with a better 10 years therafter)


Logically, I'm inclined to agree with you gerry - but something tells me that it's not the dream ticket that some people are painting. The people who are voting for meaningful change with Obama want just that - meaningful change. It's hard to imagine that happening if he is dependant on Clinton to get elected. Better to stand on his own merit and lose (which I don't think he will)


I'm happy to start a book with ???? on this one too

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I also can't help but feel there's no real change, Washington is as Washington does.

Though on the other side, he's not in hock to ANY lobby groups, which is nice, but I can't see him being radical about the state of banking....


http://www.opensecrets.org/pres08/contrib.php?cycle=2008&cid=N00009638

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gerry Wrote:

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> If Hillary is given the VP job, she will help him

> get elected. Its that simple. If not, he won't

> get in on his own merit...too much prejudice still

> in many areas. I would like to think otherwise,

> but many friends over there say he would struggle.


I have to disagree Gerry, I think, if anything, this ticket would bode badly for Obama. Whilst many "undecideds" and even the left-leaning Republicans would consider switching to Obama when Hilary comes aboard opinion polls tend to suggest that vital support drains away. She is a divisive figure both within her own party and on a national scale. Kind of love or hate - and for many Americans it's definitely hate.


If, and I grant you it's a big if, I was Obama's advisor I think he has two options for a successful running mate. The first is John Edwards who has previously been on the ticket and has the experience of Presidential campaigns that Obama lacks. The second choice is the more risky but could herald a new dawn in American politics. The ethnic group Obama fails to reach is the Hispanics who tend to vote Repubican. Bill Richardson, the Governor of New Mexico is a latino and massively popular in the SW United States. A black/hispanic ticket would be both powerful and controversial but is a distinct possibility.

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