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[Otta]

Yep quite likely.

[red devil]

Nice to think that Clattenburg might have tried to even things out, but Sturridge's dive also got a fellow pro sent off, something that couldn't be evened out without sending off a 'pool player, and I don't think we want to be going down that road.

But that shouldn't detract from 'pool's overall performance, they totally bossed the game and 0-3 was fully deserved.

I meant to post before the match to say that I think our next 3 home games in 8 days (Liverpool, Olympiakos and City) would be make or break for Moyes, especially with the match going fans*. Lose them and it's curtains. The key being not so much the end results but the performances. Yesterday was yet another abject one, devoid of any tactical nous, creativity and energy. I didn't have a strong opinion either way about Moyes' appointment. I was happy for him to be given time to see if he could turn things round, afterall it's ultimately down to the players that cross the white line. But 8 months on, we've regressed rather then progressed. He still doesn't appear to know what his best team is, how to tatically set them up, and more importantly how to change tactics during a game if they're not working. As a fan he doesn't inspire me that he can change things round. He certainly seems incapable of inspiring the players to perform for him. A squad let's not forget that won the league by 11 points. Currently there's a 46 point turnaround with 'pool. That's not normal. 1 down, 2 to go...

*The Utd fans were brilliant yeterday, but that was more out of defiance in front of the 'pool fans, a 'let's rain on their parade' mentality rather than unswerving support for Moyes...

[Parkdrive]

Getting another player sent off isn't what fans want to see, but Rafeal should have been shown red for deliberate handball.

[red devil]

The bottom line for me is that if a ref makes a mistake he shouldn't try and even it out. Two wrongs etc.

Decisons tend to even themselves out over a season...

[Bluerevolution]

Good post RD. I doubt ANY manager stepping into SAF shoes would get out of players like he did. Moyes doesn't seem to have the confidence or heat that SAF did, however the stories about SAF is that he was a bully and a tyrant-why not ?? They are being paid monopoly money and should, therefore, put the work in.

Can't see Rooney being on ?300k being helpful in the great scheme of things and RvP really does look disinterested, United loss-Arsenals gain ?? I can seriously see that happening.

Should Vidic be stripped of captaincy ? Doesn't seem to me to be great that your on pitch leader is "doing one" in 3 months time.

(Can I put a humourous Meme/cartoon or a piss take in now ? ;) )

[Otta]

red devil Wrote:

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> more importantly how to change

> tactics during a game if they're not working. As a

> fan he doesn't inspire me that he can change

> things round.

On this point, when Rogers first came to pool my cobcern was that he was too stubborn and had no plan B (selling Carroll seemed silly at the time). But now he has got them playing the way he wants and things are good. The difference I suppose is that we all knew from the outset what Rogers' football philosophy was. With Moyes we don't really know what he wants as an end result, and I'm not totally convinced he does either.

[red devil]

Bluerevolution Wrote:

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> Good post RD. I doubt ANY manager stepping into

> SAF shoes would get out of players like he did.

> Moyes doesn't seem to have the confidence or heat

> that SAF did, however the stories about SAF is

> that he was a bully and a tyrant-why not ?? They

> are being paid monopoly money and should,

> therefore, put the work in.

> Can't see Rooney being on ?300k being helpful in

> the great scheme of things and RvP really does

> look disinterested, United loss-Arsenals gain ?? I

> can seriously see that happening.

> Should Vidic be stripped of captaincy ? Doesn't

> seem to me to be great that your on pitch leader

> is "doing one" in 3 months time.

>

>

> (Can I put a humourous Meme/cartoon or a piss take

> in now ? ;) )

Go for it BR, I'm numb to the pain ;-)

I think there's been a perfect storm of events, and all not down to Moyes. And you're right, any manager would've struggled.

I hope I'm proved wrong, but after another inept performance I'm beginning to lose faith in his ability to turn things around. I'm not even sure he should be trusted with a big summer transfer kitty and spend it wisely...Fellaini anyone?!

There's a school of thought that RVP and Rooney can't play upfront together. Fergie certainly thought so. If whoever's in charge thinks that too and decides to sell one of them, so be it.

The Vidic situation isn't ideal, but I'm not too bothered about the captaincy at the moment. It can be addressed as part of the summer rebuilding...

[maxxi]

Nice to see England have a ready-made replacement for dying-swan diver Welbeck - step forward Mr Sturridge. Disgraceful.

[red devil]

Otta Wrote:

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> On this point, when Rogers first came to pool my

> cobcern was that he was too stubborn and had no

> plan B (selling Carroll seemed silly at the time).

> But now he has got them playing the way he wants

> and things are good. The difference I suppose is

> that we all knew from the outset what Rogers'

> football philosophy was. With Moyes we don't

> really know what he wants as an end result, and

> I'm not totally convinced he does either.

True dat. He obviously did very well at Everton considering what he inherited and the constant budget constraints he had to work with. But it's increasingly looking like he's out of his depth at Utd...

[Jah Lush]

[Otta]

Fellaini is far from your worst midfielder at the moment to be fair to him. But he certainly wasnt top of the shopping list at the start if last summer.

[Bluerevolution]

Cheers RD

[red devil]

Bastard!...

[red devil]

Otta Wrote:

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> Fellaini is far from your worst midfielder at the

> moment to be fair to him. But he certainly wasnt

> top of the shopping list at the start if last

> summer.

I know, I was thinking more about the money it cost to buy him, esp when he could've been bought for ?4m less before his buy out clause expired. It had panic buy written all over it...

[Bluerevolution]

He he Hee !!

[red devil]

I take it all back, Moyes has progressed...

This time last season, David Moyes' Everton had 48 points from 29 games, having scored 46 goals & conceded 35.

This season, David Moyes' Manchester United side have 48pts from 29 games, having scored 46 goals and conceded 34.

[red devil]

Miscellaneous musings...

Fellaini's 5 minute cameo last night was the best I've seen him play in a red shirt, he even found his ideal position on the pitch...the corner flag.

According to a West Ham season ticket supporting friend, tickets for the MU game are going for ?150...why?

Congratulations to Arsene Wenger on becoming a member of the 1000 club. Interesting stat, all his trophies were won within the first 500 games.

Good luck to Spurs tonight, but I think it could get messy for them in Lisbon....

[Parkdrive]

red devil Wrote:

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> Miscellaneous musings...

>

>

> Congratulations to Arsene Wenger on becoming a

> member of the 1000 club. Interesting stat, all his

> trophies were won within the first 500 games.

>

Interesting or just an opportunity to have a dig?

[red devil]

Depends on the mindset of the reader...

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_GkqmWdtdBrk/TSU8NDuFBFI/AAAAAAAAAeM/DpwGK6WKqWc/s200/half%2Bempty.jpg

[Mick Mac]

PD is very much in the half full camp.

[Parkdrive]

red devil Wrote:

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> Depends on the mindset of the reader...

>

> http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_GkqmWdtdBrk/TSU8NDuFBFI/

> AAAAAAAAAeM/DpwGK6WKqWc/s200/half%2Bempty.jpg

Or the poster

[Parkdrive]

Mick Mac Wrote:

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> PD is very much in the half full camp.

PD is in the I know when someone is having a dig camp.

[red devil]

You make my point perfectly...again

[Otta]

Parkdrive Wrote:

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> red devil Wrote:

> --------------------------------------------------

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> > Miscellaneous musings...

> >

> >

> > Congratulations to Arsene Wenger on becoming a

> > member of the 1000 club. Interesting stat, all

> his

> > trophies were won within the first 500 games.

> >

>

> Interesting or just an opportunity to have a dig?

Come on PD, don't be so touchy. It is a fact, and it is interesting when you look at the sport as it is today.

You could argue that it is absolutely incredible that Wenger has been allowed to stay so long without winning anything (and kudos to Arsenal for not sacking him like many (most?) clubs would have). Obviously we'll never know the answer to this, but I wonder whether even SAF would have been safe at United had he not delivered a trophy in a 500 match period.

[StraferJack]

I guarantee no other manager could have spent those last 500 games moving Arsenal to a new stadium and keeping us in champions league every year on a restricted budget. the man's a legend and we will rue the day he leaves