Melbourne Grove South CPZ consultation

[Earl Aelfheah]

53 minutes ago, Rockets said:

FM, the rate at which the council moves the online homes for many items I have now got into the habit of saving anything and everything as this is happening a lot.

Have you ever tried emailing the council when you want to find something, rather than posting in here about how it’s some sort of conspiracy? Yes, website are updated, but whenever I have emailed the council asking for info, they’ve always provided it

[first mate]

54 minutes ago, Rockets said:

FM, the rate at which the council moves the online homes for many items I have now got into the habit of saving anything and everything as this is happening a lot.

I guess the thing is, since I saw what was written we can compare that with what comes out, when the report is released. I am still trying to understand if they are intending to hold another statutory consultation for the reduced CPZ they were proposing in the document I saw. What was odd though was that it sounded like a decision already made, as they were stating October as a start date for the CPZ.

[Earl Aelfheah]

Why don’t you email the council?

[ab29]

20 minutes ago, Earl Aelfheah said:

Why don’t you email the council?

What is the point? They never read any messages, never reply to any, they do not care. Money waste and mismanagement is mind blowing

[Earl Aelfheah]

2 hours ago, ab29 said:

What is the point? They never read any messages, never reply to any, they do not care. Money waste and mismanagement is mind blowing

You can say “I can’t find something on the website, it’s a conspiracy”, or you can email and ask them to provide the info you’re after. 
I know which is more constructive. But I guess it comes down to what you actually want to achieve.

Claiming information doesn’t exist, or is being deliberately withheld without making any effort to look, or ask te right people is a repeated pattern and it’s a bit ridiculous.

[DulvilleRes]

If the residents of Melbourne Grove vote for a CPZ, they are likely to see a very positive transformation. All those semi dumped cars that clog up many streets will disappear. Just a walk down Gilkes Crescent, which voted for a CPZ, is a revelation.The entire environment of the street is vastly improved.

[geh]

2 hours ago, Earl Aelfheah said:

You can say “I can’t find something on the website, it’s a conspiracy”, or you can email and ask them to provide the info you’re after. 
I know which is more constructive. But I guess it comes down to what you actually want to achieve.

Claiming information doesn’t exist, or is being deliberately withheld without making any effort to look, or ask te right people is a repeated pattern and it’s a bit ridiculous.

I emailed Southwark on Tuesday requesting clarification but have not received a response. 
 

 

[Rockets]

Meanwhile on streets surrounding Gilkes Crescent the situation is very different? But that's the point, isn't it? Shoehorn a CPZ in on one street to create parking pressure on others so they ask for a CPZ.

Dulwich had no parking issues until the council started installing CPZs....that's why 68% of people in Dulwich respondents to vote against them all those years ago.

Creating parking pressure might be the only thing this council is good at....the Townley CPZ is the most ludicrous example of parking pressure creation as the council goes seeking more revenue.

Can I ask, does anyone know what the motivation is to "semi-dump" or dump a car on a street? We hear that these are the new "Kent commuters" causing problems but what's the rationale for that?

P.S. If my experience of emailing the council is anything to go by they tend to be quite selective about what they respond to and tend to be less than keen to engage beyond a cursory response if it's anything to do with LTNs/CPZs etc.

Edited June 12 by Rockets

[alice]

2 hours ago, DulvilleRes said:

 

2 hours ago, DulvilleRes said:

If the residents of Melbourne Grove vote for a CPZ, they are likely to see a very positive transformation. All those semi dumped cars that clog up many streets will disappear. Just a walk down Gilkes Crescent, which voted for a CPZ, is a revelation.The entire environment of the street is vastly improved.

I don’t think mentioning the precious Gilkes Crescent is very persuasive. It’s got a very long history of blocking itself off from the rest of the community with various reasons

Edited June 12 by alice
Accidental Double quote

[first mate]

@DulvilleRes said: "If the residents of Melbourne Grove vote for a CPZ, they are likely to see a very positive transformation."

Interesting you refer to it as a vote. The consultation report I saw briefly online ( now seemingly disappeared)  showed a majority of ED residents against CPZ...again.

If the majority of residents in the revised plan 'vote' against CPZ how likely do you think it is that CPZ will be imposed anyway?

At a much earlier CPZ consultation the whole of Melbourne Grove (both North and South) returned a majority 'vote' against CPZ. So the council decided to divide the road and treat it as two separate streets, enabling them to get CPZ in.

I wonder what sleights of hand they may get up to this time?
Some of the proposed street changes seem to involve random, short bits of double yellow lines, plonked at points along the street. Never seen that before.

[Earl Aelfheah]

9 hours ago, geh said:

I emailed Southwark on Tuesday requesting clarification but have not received a response. 

Fair enough. At least you've tried. I'm surprised they haven't responded. Usually, they come back pretty quickly.

[first mate]

Are there examples elsewhere in East Dulwich, where a few feet of double yellows are placed randomly along the street ( no dropped kerbs but around cycle hangars)?

[Moovart]

The DYLs go in first in order to keep the space available for when the cycle hangar is delivered for installation.   

[first mate]

Okay, makes sense, so if the graphic shows a cycle hangar with dyl's extended one side they are probably just showing a new cycle hangar. But, it also does look as though they look for any excuse to slot in a few more feet here and there.

[DulvilleRes]

Cars are semi-dumped on local streets, that is simply a fact. Prior to the CPZ, local residents in Gilkes Crescent did a survey of the cars that never moved. Since the introduction of the CPZ, they are no longer there. The evidence would point to people from outside the area using the free parking as storage for a buying and selling side hustle. As I said, take a walk down it, it is a street transformed. 

[Penguin68]

I think more likely is that people keep a car for journeys that public transport doesn't offer, or at a price they are not prepared to pay, and use their cars possibly just at weekends or for special trips. The idea that car traders are using all our streets for stock is simply wishful thinking for those who hate car owners. 

[malumbu]

So the cars hardly get used.  May as well use a zip car and hire car when you really need to.  Not sure why you make excuses for others.  Wouldn't it be nice if the streets weren't full of cats that hardly ever go anywhere.  

[first mate]

Nice in theory but not practical for some.

I do like felines as well, so happy for those to stay too.

[Rockets]

So @DulvilleRes let me get this right...around Melbourne Grove it was commuters driving from Kent and Gilkes Crescent was full of semi-abandoned cars for people running a side-hustle....i always thought car depreciate over time.

Have you checked what the roads nearby are like? This is why a lot of us have an issue with the self-centred and selfishness of many who love the new quiet roads but dont give two hoots about the impact it might be having on others. I'm alright Jack, I love my street transformed - who cares what's happening at the end of that street.

@malumbu dont know about your cats but mine hardly ever stay put, they go everywhere...;-)

Edited June 14 by Rockets

[Spartacus]

55 minutes ago, malumbu said:

So the cars hardly get used.  May as well use a zip car and hire car when you really need to.  Not sure why you make excuses for others.  Wouldn't it be nice if the streets weren't full of cats that hardly ever go anywhere.  

Cats ???? 

Cats go everywhere 

[malumbu]

Yes, there are also too many cats.

[first mate]

Still not been able to find the 'disappeared' consultation report, at least I know the date it was available on. Others have contacted Southwark and had no response, so I wonder what has happened? Why would a report be published and easily accessed online and then not?

[march46]

You have no evidence that the report has disappeared, the only problem is that you can’t find it. It’s quite an insight into how conspiracy theories start. 

Edited June 15 by march46

[geh]

heartened to see the administration's had a change of heart and the people have been re-empowered - pure chutzpah comes to mind:

 

 

Dear East Dulwich residents, 

 

You are invited to the inaugural East Dulwich Neighbourhood meeting on Wednesday 2^nd July at 7pm at Charter School East Dulwich (Sports Hall entrance on East Dulwich Grove) to launch the new Neighbourhoods programme and introduce your Neighbourhood Champion.

 

The new Neighbourhood programme aims to shift the council's relationship with residents and communities. We want to co-design a community plan with you which will support empowered local decision making, strengthen neighbourhood identity and embed resident voices in the future of their areas.

 

We want to hear what you love about East Dulwich and what you think makes it unique. We will also present what we learnt from the Southwark 2030 engagement process from East Dulwich residents about the key priorities for this area. We’ll ask if this feels right to you and if not what you think the key priorities are. Let us know how you’d like to see your local area improve.

 

We’ll provide a delicious meal and you’ll be entered into a raffle to win a £100 gift voucher! Please come along and bring your neighbours, we’d love to see you there.

 

Please follow this link https://www.eventbrite.co.uk/e/east-dulwich-neighbourhood-tickets-1412460219539?aff=oddtdtcreator to register your attendance and if you have any questions at all do get in touch.

 

Kind regards,

 

 

 

 

[DulvilleRes]

17 hours ago, Rockets said:

So @DulvilleRes let me get this right...around Melbourne Grove it was commuters driving from Kent and Gilkes Crescent was full of semi-abandoned cars for people running a side-hustle....i always thought car depreciate over time.

Have you checked what the roads nearby are like? This is why a lot of us have an issue with the self-centred and selfishness of many who love the new quiet roads but dont give two hoots about the impact it might be having on others. I'm alright Jack, I love my street transformed - who cares what's happening at the end of that street.

@malumbu dont know about your cats but mine hardly ever stay put, they go everywhere...;-)

You are presented with evidence that crowded streets could well be in part caused by semi-dumped cars. If you were concerned about local issues and interested in finding real solutions, instead of an unremitting attack on virtually anything the council does, you might actually take an open-minded and fact-based approach. If, as happened in Gilkes Crescent, a large number of dumped vehicles disappeared after the introduction of a CPZ, this has clear ramifications for other streets. Instead you ignore the evidence, as I suspect it is inconvenient to your unrelenting and dubious anti-council agenda across a range of issues.