Appealing against PCN for Residents Parking Permit expired less than 12 hours.

[ed_pete]

My residents Parking Permit expired at midnight last night.  Doctors appointment this morning.  Returned from doctors about midday to see I'd got a PCN.  Permit now renewed (I know I should have done it in advance).  What are the chances of appealing the PCN do you think ?

[Penguin68]

Slim to none - unless you can demonstrate force majeur like hospitalisation.

[ianr]

If an appeal went as far as the tribunal stage, the adjudicator wouldn't have the power to allow it without proof that the PCN was unlawful -- eg through inadequate  signage or doubt as to time of the alleged offence; but not, I think, failure to renew before expiry.  :)

I don't see why though you couldn't go through the initial phase of representations to the council, apologising, maybe explaining, and seeking their exercise of discretion.  I don't think it would be at all unreasonable in the circumstances for you to ask and for them to cancel it; maybe with a warning not to be so grievously lax next time?  Make sure that it gets done asap.  I _think_ they extend the deadline for reduced payment if they eventually refuse your request, but am not sure.  Can anyone here confirm that  from their own experience?

PS: An afterthought.  Might there just be possibly applicable case law, convention , whatever,  as to whether payment at any time today had effect for the whole  of the day?  I wouldn't count on it, but I'd be looking/inquiring.

Edited September 11 by ianr

[malumbu]

Probably not worth the effort irrespective of the extenuating circumstances.  

[first mate]

Such a shame the council do not show the same investment of resources and attention to detail into areas like the Rye park, where there is currently a need for a Warden presence, probably two at a time for safety. I believe there is a way for money made from parking and permit fines to be reinvested into improving the park, making it feel safer for all, so I hope this is considered. Sorry to go off thread.

[malumbu]

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Edited September 13 by malumbu
Being pompous

[first mate]

I think I apologised for that already...though I think my record of posting off thread is nothing compared to some Mal 😉

[malumbu]

You can easily delete posts.  I've just deleted my previous one.  I hate it when two posters go off on a tangent, and/or have a one to one.  ?I'd never do that.....  😉

[first mate]

I wait to hear the results and whether the OP is able to successfully challenge the penalty or not. I also doubt they can as the fine is legitimate and Southwark want that revenue.

[ianr]

BTW https://www.londontribunals.gov.uk/eat/understanding-enforcement-process/parking-penalty-charge-notice-enforcement-process is a useful information source.  More items are available from the menubar Environment and Traffic Adjudicators header.

Edited Tuesday at 10:54 by ianr

[tiddles]

heard from a resident in a CPZ that it was practically impossible to get a permit renewed before it had expired. She could not find anything on the website, and it was practically impossible to speak to anyone on the phone. 

[alex_b]

20 hours ago, tiddles said:

heard from a resident in a CPZ that it was practically impossible to get a permit renewed before it had expired. She could not find anything on the website, and it was practically impossible to speak to anyone on the phone. 

We’ve had a permit for about eight years. We’ve never had an issue renewing and always get a reminder by email. Googling “Southwark renew parking permit” brings up the correct Southwark page as the first result. Not sure what is “practically impossible” about it. 

[tiddles]

Thank you - I shall pass this on. Thankfully I don’t have to deal with this issue.