Appealing against PCN for Residents Parking Permit expired less than 12 hours.

[ed_pete]

My residents Parking Permit expired at midnight last night.  Doctors appointment this morning.  Returned from doctors about midday to see I'd got a PCN.  Permit now renewed (I know I should have done it in advance).  What are the chances of appealing the PCN do you think ?

[Penguin68]

Slim to none - unless you can demonstrate force majeur like hospitalisation.

[ianr]

If an appeal went as far as the tribunal stage, the adjudicator wouldn't have the power to allow it without proof that the PCN was unlawful -- eg through inadequate  signage or doubt as to time of the alleged offence; but not, I think, failure to renew before expiry.  :)

I don't see why though you couldn't go through the initial phase of representations to the council, apologising, maybe explaining, and seeking their exercise of discretion.  I don't think it would be at all unreasonable in the circumstances for you to ask and for them to cancel it; maybe with a warning not to be so grievously lax next time?  Make sure that it gets done asap.  I _think_ they extend the deadline for reduced payment if they eventually refuse your request, but am not sure.  Can anyone here confirm that  from their own experience?

PS: An afterthought.  Might there just be possibly applicable case law, convention , whatever,  as to whether payment at any time today had effect for the whole  of the day?  I wouldn't count on it, but I'd be looking/inquiring.

Edited September 11 by ianr

[malumbu]

Probably not worth the effort irrespective of the extenuating circumstances.  

[first mate]

Such a shame the council do not show the same investment of resources and attention to detail into areas like the Rye park, where there is currently a need for a Warden presence, probably two at a time for safety. I believe there is a way for money made from parking and permit fines to be reinvested into improving the park, making it feel safer for all, so I hope this is considered. Sorry to go off thread.

[malumbu]

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Edited September 13 by malumbu
Being pompous

[first mate]

I think I apologised for that already...though I think my record of posting off thread is nothing compared to some Mal 😉

[malumbu]

You can easily delete posts.  I've just deleted my previous one.  I hate it when two posters go off on a tangent, and/or have a one to one.  ?I'd never do that.....  😉

[first mate]

I wait to hear the results and whether the OP is able to successfully challenge the penalty or not. I also doubt they can as the fine is legitimate and Southwark want that revenue.

[ianr]

BTW https://www.londontribunals.gov.uk/eat/understanding-enforcement-process/parking-penalty-charge-notice-enforcement-process is a useful information source.  More items are available from the menubar Environment and Traffic Adjudicators header.

Edited September 16 by ianr

[tiddles]

heard from a resident in a CPZ that it was practically impossible to get a permit renewed before it had expired. She could not find anything on the website, and it was practically impossible to speak to anyone on the phone. 

[alex_b]

20 hours ago, tiddles said:

heard from a resident in a CPZ that it was practically impossible to get a permit renewed before it had expired. She could not find anything on the website, and it was practically impossible to speak to anyone on the phone. 

We’ve had a permit for about eight years. We’ve never had an issue renewing and always get a reminder by email. Googling “Southwark renew parking permit” brings up the correct Southwark page as the first result. Not sure what is “practically impossible” about it. 

[tiddles]

Thank you - I shall pass this on. Thankfully I don’t have to deal with this issue. 

[matthew123]

I've not been emailed a Parking Permit renewal yet. Very sneaky. Even though it expires on 1st October. Checked my Inbox and Spam folders and nothing. Each year previously this gets sent weeks in advance. What possible reason would they not send out such an email?

Edited September 29 by matthew123

[teddyboy23]

I think southwark parking permits. Went onto a new system in April.some residents will get reminders ,to renew their permits.others won't you might have to contact the parking team.to submit  car details and proof of residency.again.?                                                                     Just had a quick look at southwark parking. yes they have a new system.worth a look.

 

Edited September 30 by teddyboy23

[ianr]

I've recently learned of someone else, who a couple of weeks ago received a penalty notice two days after expiry of their annual permit.  They complained to Southwark that they had not received the customary email reminding them of the due renewal date, and promptly received a reply saying the penalty would be refunded.

ed_pete, how have you got on?

[ianr]

"Southwark Council has cancelled an undisclosed number of Penalty Charge Notices (PCNs), after a technical error meant permit renewal reminders were not sent to drivers throughout September and early October."   18 Oct. 2025

https://southwarknews.co.uk/news/community/exclusive-council-forced-to-cancel-pcns-after-technical-error-meant-parking-permit-reminders-were-not-sent/ 

See the article for more details.

Edited Saturday at 19:39 by ianr

[Holmdeneresi]

The new system has numerous teething problems. I was overcharged for a 12m permit and have been promised a refund  within 7 working days. We’re 11 working days in so if it happens to you make sure you get your refund..