Map of school furthest distance offers 2013 - inc. faith schools & academies

[trefford21]

I created this interactive map that shows the catchment areas for all community primary schools in the East Dulwich/Peckham Rye area, based on the furthest distance from the school that offers were made for 2013 admissions. Many of the catchments overlap, so use the dropdown box underneath to select a specific school. And click on the school for info, including latest Ofsted.

UPDATE: I've now added faith schools, and also Dulwich Hamlet and Goose Green (academies), Turnham (foundation) and Haberdashers (free school & academy). And Lambeth have now published their 2013 data so have updated Rosendale and Jessop. Clearly faith schools have different admissions criteria to the others, so I'm not showing admissions distance for them, as it's an unfair comparison.

If there are any schools still missing, please let me know.

http://datacollator.blogspot.co.uk/2013/10/primary-schools-around-east-dulwich.html

[edhistory]

This demonstrates the East Dulwich "black hole".

John K

[simonethebeaver]

That's fantastic, thanks. What would make it even better, for those of us hovering on the edge of the borough, would be the Lewisham schools too, at least near the border.

[reren]

This is so,helpful thank you - was this based on final offers after wait list orvjustvthe initial offers?

[Cora]

Really useful...would be good to include schools near the boundaries (Lewisham and Lambeth) and PLEASE do one for secondaries including surrounding boroughs!

[trefford21]

It's just based on the info that Southwark publish on their site, which is initial offers, so the final catchment areas will be a little wider.

If you let me know the Lewisham/Lambeth schools that are near the border, I'll add them in.

[simonethebeaver]

Lewisham schools are Horniman, Fairlawn, Eliot Bank, Kelvingrove, and Dalmain, in Forest Hill/Sydenham/Honor Oak. Stillness possibly but after that it's getting a bit too far out. I don't know about the ones bordering Nunhead I'm afraid.

[simonethebeaver]

The problem with doing secondaries is that all Southwark, and a fair proportion of Lewisham and Lambeth, secondaries are academies with variously quirky admission arrangements, so the map would be a bit less illustrative. Still give a rough idea of catchments though.

[buggie]

Turnham, Edward Waller, Stillness, Gordonbrook & Beecroft are all close enough to consider from Nunhead.

[Emski]

Interesting. Anyone else think they should have been offered a place based on this?!

[VeronicaSawyer]

Fantastic work, Trefford. I've thoroughly enjoyed poring over it even though my children have been safely settled in primary for years now. And you have also prompted me to go and have a look at the distances for the secondary I've got my eye on*, so many thanks all round. .

*it's looking good, so even if it's popularity increases enormously in the next two years we should be safe. Phew.

[srisky]

Interesting and thank you but I am even more confused now!

According to the tool on this thread: http://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/forum/read.php?29,1175341, we are 267m from Goodrich and 190m from Heber, as the crow flies. This was the stated method used (as opposed to safest walking route) to calculate the distance in the starting school booklet for 2014/15 and we are within the furthest distance offered for both schools. However, according to the interactive map on this thread we are out of the catchment for both schools. Obviously, there are likely to be errors in the map when calculating distance but unlikely to be by almost 100m.

So, what else is considered when deciding who to offer to (other than siblings) which would mean that even at 190m we are outside the catchment?

[DaveR]

Great map, but Goose Green School seems to be missing?

[edhistory]

srisky Wrote:

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> Interesting and thank you but I am even more

> confused now!

>

> According to the tool on this thread:

> http://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/forum/read.php?2

> 9,1175341, we are 267m from Goodrich and 190m from

> Heber, as the crow flies. This was the stated

> method used (as opposed to safest walking route)

> to calculate the distance in the starting school

> booklet for 2014/15 and we are within the furthest

> distance offered for both schools. However,

> according to the interactive map on this thread we

> are out of the catchment for both schools.

> Obviously, there are likely to be errors in the

> map when calculating distance but unlikely to be

> by almost 100m.

>

> So, what else is considered when deciding who to

> offer to (other than siblings) which would mean

> that even at 190m we are outside the catchment?

Each school has an official Department of Education Ordnance Survey Grid reference.

Each school building has an Ordnance Survey object centroid Ordnance Survey Grid reference.

A school can chose which school gate to measure the catchment radius. This Ordnance Survey Grid reference will be neither of the previous two.

The deviation can be 100m.

John K

[Indiana]

You could add Dulwich Village Infants too - their office told me for 2013 the distance/non-faith first round offer was 552m?

[srisky]

Ok, thanks for the explanation, John K. No doubt the catchment areas would've shrunk further by the time it comes for us to apply.

[simonethebeaver]

Really interesting updated, thanks. I'm intrigued. I know someone 70m from Eliot Bank who didn't get in, but the distance there is over 400m.

[DaveR]

As noted by the OP, to make the map complete for ED it needs data for Goose Green, St John's and St Clements and Dulwich Hamlet. Not on Southwark website or the schools's websites unfortunately.

[Saila]

I was told Goosegreen is approx 490m

Hamlet is approx 900m but someone may have a more accurate figure than that. Pretty sure it's btw 900 and 1000m

[number 2]

that's great, thank you! i wish someone had done this last year!!

[Emski]

edhistory Wrote:

>

> Each school has an official Department of

> Education Ordnance Survey Grid reference.

>

> Each school building has an Ordnance Survey object

> centroid Ordnance Survey Grid reference.

>

> A school can chose which school gate to measure

> the catchment radius. This Ordnance Survey Grid

> reference will be neither of the previous two.

>

> The deviation can be 100m.

>

> John K

John K - when I queried our home-to-school measurement with Southwark, we were given the eastings/northings for the school and for our home that they use. My understanding is that they're taken from the NLPG (National land and property gazetteer) and are the visual centre of each address. Could you explain where the school gate issue comes in? Is this for non-community schools? Many thanks

[edhistory]

> John K - when I queried our home-to-school measurement with Southwark, we were given the eastings/northings for the school and for our home that they use. My understanding is that they're taken from the NLPG (National land and property gazetteer) and are the visual centre of each address. Could you explain where the school gate issue comes in? Is this for non-community schools? Many thanks

I've not used the NLPG reference for schools.

I'd like to know the geometry of "the visual centre of each address". Perhaps your Southwark contact could explain? Or perhaps not.

A school gate example would be Goose Green School which could use the Grove Vale or Tintagel entrances for measurements.

John K

[edhistory]

trefford21's update now shows the proper extent of the East Dulwich blackhole.

This has been discussed on the EDF in previous years.

Southwark does nothing about this.

John K

[Emski]

edhistory Wrote:

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>

> I've not used the NLPG reference for schools.

>

> I'd like to know the geometry of "the visual

> centre of each address". Perhaps your Southwark

> contact could explain? Or perhaps not.

>

> A school gate example would be Goose Green School

> which could use the Grove Vale or Tintagel

> entrances for measurements.

>

> John K

It literally means that they estimate the centre of the school by eye and that is then the coordinate (easting/northing) that they input into their mysterious measuring system to calculate how far away you live (using your property's NLPG reference).

This is how Southwark explained it to me. I just don't understand where the school gate comes into it as I've previously heard that this is used.

[prm]

Thanks to the OP for creating this tool, the only problem from what I can gather is that the initial published distances change so much after shakedown and after bulge classes are announced (e.g. I know people who live much much further got into Fairlawn this year as it bulged).