Crawthew Road closing for 18 months

[Jeremy]

If it's the house I'm thinking of, I think it borders on an old light industrial plot accessed through a gate. So the owner could well have bought that too, and ended up with a nice large bit of land.

[DulwichFox]

Houses with basement pools in ED.

Getting like L.A. 'round here.

That's the sort of thing that justifies the ?6.00 pint.

It's what E.D needs.

Come and live in East Dulwich. If you think you can afford it.

DulwichFox.

[Reg Smeeton]

DulwichBorn&Bred Wrote:

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> No problem at all with someone wanting to build a

> swimming pool ( lucky them) and is this first for

> East Dulwich?!

> But I think 18 months of road issues is a tad too

> far .

Well I DO have a problem with it, because this swimming pool digging has had such huge negative impact on surrounding homes.

If you are going to cause major inconvenience to a neighbour then 18 months is more than just "a tad too far", it is completely unacceptable. The giant skip being used for the project isn't parked in front of the owner's space, it has been parked in front of a neighbour's house for several months. If you are going to inconvenience neighbours in this way, then frankly anything more than a week or two seems unreasonable. Note that in most building projects, if there is a skip, it is always parked immediately in front of the house where the work is being done, so at least the biggest inconvenience is imposed on the owner.

Shame on you Southwark Council - and on the arrogance of this antisocial project.

[SteveUK1978]

No it's not a large plot - it's just a huge deep hole being dug and they have been removing soil for the best part of 12 months already - dumping it in a huge skip as Reg says.

The oversized skip and the deluxe workman's hut complete with double ensuite bathroom and kitchen facilities has been taking up 4 or 5 parking spaces all year too.

The owner must have a friend on the planning committee as it is a staggering amount of disruption that clearly is about to get worse.

[Sue]

SteveUK1978 Wrote:

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> The owner must have a friend on the planning

> committee

xxxxxx

Or as BNG says above, brown envelopes and cash have been involved.

Surely obtaining planning permission must take into account unreasonable disruption to others?

ETA: It's not like it's a new medical centre or something, where the longer term advantage would outweigh the shorter term disruption. It's a bloody private swimming pool!

[simonethebeaver]

Here is Southwark's own website on TMOs:

http://www.southwark.gov.uk/info/200083/streets_and_highways/1957/traffic_management_orders

This project is not listed as a current consultation. Nor does any consultation appear to have been carried out, nor the necessary publication of the proposal. You have six weeks to object to this scheme. I would suggest that, should this go ahead, you have a case to complain to the Local Government Ombudsman as Southwark do not appear to have followed their own processes.

[ianr]

If there was a private application for a Traffic Management Order it should presumably be available, at least on request, for inspection/publication: http://www.southwark.gov.uk/info/200083/roadworks_and_highway_improvements/1957/traffic_management_orders/1. I assume there must have been one. It would give a better idea of the expected duration. This, for example, is what Bristol say and provide.

> According to Southwark's planning site basement permissions are still pending.

Any reference please?

[DulwichFox]

It's all bit much when by comparison residents have been warned in the past that they could

face prosecution if they cause disruption by reserving parking space for Removal Vans by placing

wheelie bins in the road.

DulwichFox

[Dulwich Born And Bred]

Reg, has the neighbour complained about the skip ? I most certainly would.

[KidKruger]

What BNG said.

It's not as difficult as one (regular, law abider) would hope.

[MarkE]

DulwichFox Wrote:

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> It's all bit much when by comparison residents

> have been warned in the past that they could

> face prosecution if they cause disruption by

> reserving parking space for Removal Vans by

> placing

> wheelie bins in the road.

>

> DulwichFox

Amusingly, this was actually the advice given to me by Southwark around nine months ago when I asked them how they recommended we locate a skip to minimise disruption to our street.

[James Barber]

Swimming pool and cinema!

The applicant is Scott Collins of 92 Crawthew Road. If you know Scott please tell him to get his builders act together.

I have no problem with them having a 3 bed house with cinema and swimming pool. Good luck to them.

But what really bothers me is that they can't achieve this without minimising hassle to neighbours. ~They've taken over lots of public space in that corner of Crawthew Road and now want all of it for up to 18months.

BTW if you live at 68, 70, 70c, 70D, 70D Crawthew Grove or back onto the site in Worlingham Road I hope you've organised Party Wall agreements with the developer (which would be at the developers expense). This big hole comes with danger.

Just received phone call from BBC London News. Apparently...the contractor has asked for 3 x 15mins closures for deliveries / day. The architects say another 6 months the woroks will be finished not 18 months. But the same archtiects also said the wohl build would take less than a year and we're now over a year.

Bewildering why Southwark officers should advertise an 18months total closure and loss of parking unless that's what they were asked for.

[reeko]

Yep James ain't telling no lies. Get the party wall stuff sorted, and up your insurance.

This is currently unfolding in Hackney central

http://hackneycitizen.co.uk/2013/11/23/hackney-central-residents-evacuated-homes-structural-threat/comment-page-3/

Lovely old building with two thriving businesses and 8 flats has to be demolished due to sudden structural failing. Road closed and general traffic chaos abounds.

The exact cause has not yet been decided, but you will note that there is a massive hole in the ground right up to the foundations of the crumbling building - the groundwork for a Travelodge. The appearance of this gaping hole and the crumbling of a building that has stood for around 200 years may of course be coincidence. It will depend on which side can hire the most expensive surveyors

[Dulwich Born And Bred]

I am quite speechless now I know more about it.

Have the neighbours complained ?

[DulwichFox]

That would be Scott Collins of The Bishop/ Actress fame no doubt. Would it not?

DulwichFox

[Reg Smeeton]

DulwichBorn&Bred Wrote:

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> Reg, has the neighbour complained about the skip ?

> I most certainly would.

Check out who the owner of No.68 is, it might help explain why the immediate neighbours aren't complaining.

[????]

Oh i'm seeing this entirely differently, just think what it will do to house prices when the Evening Standard run this story for SE22 rather than Notting Hill and Belgravia...champagne anyone?

[SteveUK1978]

All - James' comment about the 15 mins, 3 times a day closure has been confirmed to our neighbour by someone at the council. She called up and had a call back from a contact of her's at Southwark. Perhaps not as bad as feared if that is true and she is supposedly going to be sent an email from the council clarifying the point.

Maybe we can turn our attention to getting the Davlav removed too!

[dirty tree]

I have never seen so many planning applications for a single development before. There must be at least 10 different applications for 68A Crawthrew Road by the same applicant. Some were refused others were passed.

Good luck to Mr Collins, whoever he is, but the disruption to others is just plain off the scale !

[Mousey McP]

Where is Crawthew Road? I only know of Crawthew Grove in SE22 ! Pretentious and Selfish. Sounds like the Archetypal wannebe Lord of the Manor.

[harperama]

Incredible. I live above a flat which has been illegally converted from 1 bed to 2 beds - the council know all about it and told the owner to put in back by September which he blatantly ignored and now nothing is happening whilst he collects 2 lots of rent. Yet for the sake of 1 rich person a whole street of people is being incovienced - he council seriously need to get their priorities right

[unlurked]

DulwichFox Wrote:

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> That would be Scott Collins of The Bishop/ Actress

> fame no doubt. Would it not?

>

> DulwichFox

Yes, I think you are right Foxy. The same scott collins that advertised the Actress on here for free for months. Also the same person that bought the EDF drinks mob with a couple of freebies. Looks as though hes used all their money to make that little corner of ED all his own n ?#*? the neighbours that paid for it. Maybe the pool is for his mangy dog?

[James Barber]

Officers contacted me last night to say it will now be 3x 30mins a day of closure.

That it won't be for 18 months but they've issued a temporary traffic management order for 18 months because that's the maximum they can issue one for and you nevertheless know it might take another 18 months!

The TTMO has to be advertised. The public notice ad placed in Southwark News p.53 was for a road called "Carthew Grove".

Clearly not the same road. So if you get held up by any road closures on Crawthew Grove call the Police non emergency number 101 - little point calling Southwark Council.

[SteveUK1978]

Thanks James.

It still remains a baffling situation, but perhaps not as bad as first expected. They have been closing the road on and off for a while now by just sticking cones in the way to force people down Frogley Road and I guess this notice just lets them do that "legally" if that is the correct term.

You have to laugh at the fact they got the name of the road wrong in the notice. I see they have also put a notice on one of the lamp posts - it is a bit of laminated paper, smaller than A4 size and about 7 ft up so it is not exactly the most obvious....but I guess it ticks a box.

[LondonMix]

Wouldn't it be more appropriate to change the title of this thread to: Crawthew Grove to experience intermittent closures of up to 3 times a day for 15-30 minutes for the next 6 months to facilitate private building work