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Nelson Mandela has died.

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david_carnell

david_carnell

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El Pibe Wrote:

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> Nelson, kicked the french about, rasied awareness

> for gay rights!!


I was going to make that joke. Even wrote it out. Plus something rude about Di. Then hit back on the browser. Damn.

Louisa

Louisa

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Thank goodness for people like Nelson Mandela and indeed Diana for raising awareness around HIV/AIDS. Still such a misunderstood illness which has a devastating affect on individuals both physically and emotionally, as well as being responsible for killing so many before treatments became available, and indeed to this day is still cruelly taking the lives of treatment deprived communities in parts of Africa and Asia. It's so easy to underestimate the influence someone can have just by confronting taboos head on. Diana seen hugging a dying man may seem trivial to some of you, but for me it was a life changing moment following all the scary imagery and misinformation which was doing the rounds regarding this illness back in the day.


Louisa.

Louisa

Louisa

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StraferJack Wrote:

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> she was never unaware of where the cameras were

> tho was she?


And why would she be? The woman was hounded by cameras for years, and unlike some whinging celebrities she took the opportunity to use this publicity to the advantage of various causes.


> plus, however much it impacted on you, it didn't

> exactly put her out much did it?


Maybe it didn't, but even if it only impacted on me, and no one else, it was still a force for the good, at a time when most people would not touch this topic with a barge poll StraferJack.


Louisa.

Otta

Otta

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StraferJack Wrote:

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> she was never unaware of where the cameras were

> tho was she?



But isn't that the point? She used her fame to do a bit of good. Sure she could have done more and I'm not a huge Di fan or anything, but compared to the majority of the royals she was a Saint!

Louisa

Louisa

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StraferJack Wrote:

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> mid to late 90s? people wouldnt empathise with

> aids victims?

>

> You were hanging around with the wrong crowd love,

> never mind about Diana


I didn't actually state a year, but I think you'll find she was meeting HIV/AIDS victims back in the 80s when the illness was at its height and no not so many people were empathetic. Read the link below, April 1987.


http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1291&dat=19870410&id=PidUAAAAIBAJ&sjid=aY0DAAAAIBAJ&pg=5210,2926222


And "hanging out with the wrong crowd love", come on StraferJack please, I don't think this thread is one to be getting personal with people. I am stating why I believed she was great in what she chose to do, and to everyone else, I named a few "great" people from the 20th century, all on different levels for different reasons. Of course I am not directly comparing her charity work to a man who defeated apartheid in South Africa. Why does everything on this forum always lead to personal attacks? People may want to take inspiration from the great man himself who despite all the odds managed to bring peace and reconciliation to his country without the use of confrontation.


Louisa.

StraferJack

StraferJack

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" I don't think this thread is one to be getting personal with people. "


you might want to reconsider repeating my name then, given that you don't do it with anyone else


"Of course I am not directly comparing her charity work to a man who defeated apartheid in South Africa. Why does everything on this forum always lead to personal attacks? "


Apologies - I hadn't realised you had chosen a different thread to make the comparison.


as for NM bringing peace without confrontation? I'm as in awe of him as most, but his unbelievable equanimity to enemies upon release is amazing, but he was no saint and wasn't afraid of confrontation



PS what personal attacks?

Jeremy

Jeremy

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StraferJack Wrote:

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> he was no saint and wasn't afraid of confrontation


Yep... most of the stuff I've been reading about him today conveniently wipes out a big chunk of his history.


(although I'm not suggesting that the ends didn't justify the means)

Otta

Otta

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Jeremy Wrote:

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> StraferJack Wrote:

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> > he was no saint and wasn't afraid of

> confrontation

>

> Yep... most of the stuff I've been reading about

> him today conveniently wipes out a big chunk of

> his history.

>

> (although I'm not suggesting that the ends didn't

> justify the means)



Similar with Che Guevara, the nastier /harsher things he did are basically swept under the carpet. Not that I'm calling him a Mandela.

LadyNorwood

LadyNorwood

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Plenty of middle-aged black south Africans who weren't big NM fans either...


Mick Mac Wrote:

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> Was in a London hotel bar last night and a group

> of middle aged white south Africans sitting next

> to us didn't appear to be big Mandela fans but I

> guess that was part of the problem he was working

> to solve.

????

????

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LadyNorwood Wrote:

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> Families, friends, relatives of anyone 'necklaced'

> perhaps...



You're just showing your ignorance - Nelson Mandela was in jail when that was all happening and when he came out he made the famous speech about throwing guns and knives into the sea. It's fine taking a different line but just being pig ignorant is just that.

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