East Dulwich Grove road works 6 Jan - 16 May

[James Barber]

East Dulwich Grove between Lordship Lane and Townley Road will have lots of road improvements and will become 20mph.

Please see attached schedule. It will all the side roads being closed at different times. overnight resurfaicng works.

The CONWAY AECOM contract contact for the works is Steve Phillips 0330 337 1001 if you have any problems or email a local councillor if you need to escalate an issue.

Second attachment is where the notifications are planned to be sent.

[worldwiser]

Cheers for this James.. don't appear to have got a peep of this out of the council directly. Any sense from these documents as to whether they'll be installing a pedestrian crossing somewhere near the LL end of EDG? The number of near-misses with buggies and pedestrians vs traffic turning from LL into EDG is getting very worrying.

[James Barber]

Hi worldwide,

No, the eastern edge of the works is the junction of Matham Grove with East Dulwich Grove.

For several years this issue was investigated. The best option found so far has been a formal crossing of Lordship Lane next to that junction. It's helped but hasn't solved the problem by putting breaks I to the traffic flow for people to cross. The raised entry treatment needs repairing.

What would you propose?

[singalto]

I agree with worldwiser: we need a crossing at that junction. There are lots of ways to cross LL but that junction is dangerous.

[worldwiser]

ok.. I'm no highways planner but here's what I'd suggest: Turn the whole T-junction (let's ignore Crawthew Gv for this - it's one way anyway so doesn't contribute to the problem) into a 3-way, traffic light controlled junction with pedestrian crossings incorporated into the timings. Formalise the filter lane for turning right from the southbound LL with a filter light. Job done.

[the-e-dealer]

thank god we have the Council tax to pay for all this. If my council tax goes up to pay for this I will be grateful.

[Countrlass22]

be glad of near glengarry crossing bus stop.improvements enables bus pull up closer level with kerb plus crossing be better lighting.

[worldwiser]

e-dealer.. as will I.

[ED - NAGAIUTB]

worldwiser Wrote:

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> The number of near-misses with

> buggies and pedestrians vs traffic turning from LL

> into EDG is getting very worrying.

Was this not actually made more of a problem after the last round of 'improvements' with the crossing being put in on LL at the junction? Once the traffic flow up LL stops for these lights then the filtering traffic has right of way to turn into EDG.

[James Barber]

hi worldwiser,

This was consdiered but to signliase that junction you'd have to have two dedicated southbound lanes and northbound lanes. That would mean no parking from Goose Green south until after the bus stop. That section of Lordship Lane would feel more like a dual carriage way.

I'm hopeful that with making Lordship Lane 20mph earlier this year and these works making East Dulwich Grove 20mph that crossing this junciton will feel safer.

[worldwiser]

I had a closer look at the current layout earlier and I have a better suggestion. I do accept that it's not feasible to have more than one lane on either side of LL. But one could prohibit right hand turns from LL to EDG during the daytime and send that traffic round Zenoria and Oxonian streets during those hours (admittedly I'm not expecting a chorus of approval from those residents). The left hand turners onto EDG heading northwards up LL wouldn't hold up traffic by turning left so there's not really a requirement for a second lane there.

Traffic wanting to turn right onto LL from EDG is already forced around Matham Grove so there's already a long-standing precedent for the above - my suggestion would simply be a mirror image. If it's ok for Matham Gv, it's surely ok for Zenoria/Oxonian. Then you could have the pelican crossing set-up across EDG as previously suggested.

The 20mph scheme is ok.. fine. I say people will speed if they want to regardless of what the signs say but the speed of the traffic around this junction is not really the issue. It's the uncomfortable co-existence of it with pedestrians, many of whom cannot easily cross that road with any degree of security in the uncertain time available, trying to keep tabs on 3 separate and uncontrolled flows of traffic.

[ED - NAGAIUTB]

worldwiser Wrote:

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> I had a closer look at the current layout earlier

> and I have a better suggestion. I do accept that

> it's not feasible to have more than one lane on

> either side of LL. But one could prohibit right

> hand turns from LL to EDG during the daytime and

> send that traffic round Zenoria and Oxonian

> streets during those hours (admittedly I'm not

> expecting a chorus of approval from those

> residents). The left hand turners onto EDG heading

> northwards up LL wouldn't hold up traffic by

> turning left so there's not really a requirement

> for a second lane there.

>

> Traffic wanting to turn right onto LL from EDG is

> already forced around Matham Grove so there's

> already a long-standing precedent for the above -

> my suggestion would simply be a mirror image. If

> it's ok for Matham Gv, it's surely ok for

> Zenoria/Oxonian. Then you could have the pelican

> crossing set-up across EDG as previously

> suggested.

Erm........how does that work for buses, vans, lorries etc? Also, that route is considerably tighter anyway.

[worldwiser]

Like I said, I'm no highways planner.

[James Barber]

I'm sorry worldwiser but sending all right turning along Zenoria/Oxanian is a non starter. It's bad enough that right turinng traffic from EDG is sent along Matham Grove.