The 2014 World Cup thread

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El Pibe Wrote:

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> I wouldn't want Suarez at west ham, not that BFS

> would have the faintest idea what to do with him,

Easy. Play him wide on the left to float balls in for Carroll. B)

The biting, red card and Balotelli high-hurdles apart the whole game was an illustration of the nastier cynical side of football that some people have been suggesting England need to adopt more. Italy and Uruguay, when not committing sneaky little fouls, were falling to the ground in operatic displays of agony. Even before Suarez it was a shitty game.

[miga]

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[Parkdrive]

DaveR Wrote:

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> Some ex player (I think it might have been

> Ballack) was recently quoted as saying "Italian,

> Dutch, German teams know how they want to play,

> but England don't". I don't think he was

> referring to particular teams, or teams under

> particular coaches, but speaking more generally,

> and I think he has a point.

>

> I recently read that Robben, RVP and Sneijder

> played together in Dutch youth teams from their

> early teens, and although they then played at

> loads of different clubs in lots of different

> countries they don't have a problem playing 'Dutch

> style' for the national team. The Spanish were

> successful when they basically adopted the

> Barcelona style, regardless of the personnel, and

> I also recently read that Belgium credit a fair

> amount of their recent success to the fact that

> some years ago the national coach basically

> insisted that all Belgian club academy teams

> should play 433. Joachim Low tweaked the

> traditional German style but he had a basic style

> that all the players understood to start from.

>

> England don't have their own set way of playing

> that all the players understand, partly because

> the traditional England approach was more about

> attitude than tactical nous (or at best it was

> standard, boring 442), and partly because

> Premiership clubs mostly have foreign managers and

> foreign players who are constantly changing, so no

> consistency.

>

> If we want to do better we need a coach who is

> prepared to define a tactical approach and pick

> the players to fit the system. The best players

> will be able to adapt.

What we need, and I've said it many times before, is a complete culture change a new mind set, and more money and resources dedicated to grass roots level football coupled with a focus on getting kids to learn about touch, technique, skill and reading the game. Too often the cry heard while standing on the touch line at kids 7 aside games is "get stuck in", as soon asI hear that, I walk away. It's as if we determined NOT to evolve and to extract all elements of enjoyment from the game at a very early stage. What do we expect from those kids as they grow up, the new crop of Ronaldos, Henry's, Van Bastens, Bergkamps et al. Fat chance. Until there is a radical shake up and the fat cats of the prem filter some money to where its most needed, it will be the same old same old.

[DulwichFox]

Otta Wrote:

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> Did Netherlands used to be referred to as Holland

> on British telly?

The country is called the Netherlands officially.

Holland is actually only the name for two of the twelve provinces in the country (North Holland and South Holland). However it is frequently used abroad to refer to the country as a whole (and even some Dutch people use it e.g on football scarfs, flags etc)

DulwichFox

[Otta]

Parkdrive Wrote:

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> Not all Liverpool fans think

> it's just a silly thing to brush aside. That's 3

> times he's biten an opponent. The guy is clearly

> deranged.

I never said it was a silly thing to brush aside, and I've said several times he has a screw lose.

But as Miga says, it's more weird than most things. There are plenty of cheats in this WC. Players diving, little slaps, elbows, I've already lost count of the times I've heard "he's got away with that". But biting is creepy.

But I honestly think he barely registers that he's doing it at the time. Which DOES NOT EXCUSE IT BEFORE YOU JUMP DOWN MY THROAT but that he's just wired wrong.

But all that aside, the fact remains that Fifa has never extended a ban for a non drugs-related incident to domestic football, and I don't think that should change, whatever Alan bloody Shearer thinks.

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He's got Rabies, it's extremley dangerous!

to repeat a Joke Otta's already heard :)

[Alan Medic]

I agree that it should just be an international ban as that would be consistant with what happens normally. It's a shame that the likely scenario is that Suarez will miss the rest of the WC as he is a class player. What he did was just plain weird and suggests he needs help but it didn't annoy me personally as much as players play acting that they are injured. However you classify what Suarez did, it could hardly be called cheating.

[Jah Lush]

There's a similarity to his behaviour to Mike Tyson when he tried to bite off Evander Holyfield's ear. I'm surprised no one seems to have mentioned this before now. On here or in the press.

[StraferJack]

It's occurred to me too Jah. Would anyone be surprised if Suarez does something similar in the future?

This whole notion of "biting? Something and nothing in scheme of things" is bizarre

[Jeremy]

Yeah but tyson actually bit a chunk out of holyfields ear. The pain would have been immense, and he was left permanently disfigured.

[StraferJack]

So is there anything about a repeat biter in public that would warn us ?

I'm sounding like Danny mills now saying "lock him up ". I don't mean to do that. But it's not behaviour we should just shrug off either. Any human repeatedly biting other humans.... It's not normal behaviour! Something is clearly wrong

[Jah Lush]

Exactly SJ. It's bizarre. Biting someone is plain weird.

[Otta]

It is weird.

But Tyson and holyfield were in a fight, and Tyson was coming off badly. Bit different.

Haha, BIT different, see what I did there?

[StraferJack]

But in boxing, one fighter comes off badly all the time

Biting isn't the norm there either.

[StraferJack]

Seconds later this article arrives

http://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2014/jun/25/luis-suarez-giorgio-chiellini-violence-deceit?CMP=twt_gu

It's very interesting

[Otta]

But one fighter isn't always a loon. I'm not saying it was normal. Just that it's less surprising (if still very shocking) in that arena than on a football pitch.

[Otta]

Hope that Canadian dude is right about the world record transfer fee!

[Jah Lush]

Why? I don't think it had ever happened in the ring before. I know of no other biter in football. There is no difference. In fact I'd say it is even more shocking on a football pitch than inside a ring where two people exchange blows for sport.

Good article, SJ. Obviously, an over indulged spoilt child. The Uruguayan authorities aren't helping him by their attitude.

[Otta]

That's what I said wasn't it?

[Otta]

Dereck Chisora bit someone, but that's not overly surprising to be honest.

[Jah Lush]

Otta Wrote:

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> That's what I said wasn't it?

No it wasn't.

Derek did that outside of the ring though didn't he? Tyson bit Lennox Lewis outside the ring too but none of them did it three times on a football pitch.

Shall we change the subject? I'm getting a bit bored of it all now. That France v Ecaudor game was shit tonight. Should of watched the other match. All the goals seemed to be going in there.... blah blah blah....zzzzzzzzzzzzz

[Otta]

I said

"Just that it's less surprising (if still very shocking) in that arena than on a football pitch."

You said

" In fact I'd say it is even more shocking on a football pitch than inside a ring where two people exchange blows for sport."

Which is basically the same point.

But yes, more than happy to change the subject. We'll know by tomorrow what the outcome is anyway...

[Mick Mac]

Mick Mac Wrote:

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> With Suarez it's the repeated offending otherwise

> in this context only then 2 matches.

FIFA have said today that they are entitled to take prior conduct into consideration so the ban may be severe.

[Jah Lush]

And so it should be.

Blimey Mac... answering your own posts.

[Mick Mac]

My opinion is a work in progress Jah.