New Shops in Dulwich / Peckham

[EDulwich_4]

2 hours ago, Penguin68 said:

Actually, this is unlikely - most of the shop foot-prints are too small for most High St chain stores - although the restaurants are more compatible with size requirements. Chains are already - mainly - in the ones with sufficient space, so more are unlikely (although there will be changes - as M&S occupied Iceland's space). 

Chain stores or chain restaurants (Chipotle, Joe and the Juice, Wagamamas, etc.), the point remains that if the independent shops want to maintain their spot then they should take a look at those independents who have people queuing outside them daily and ask themselves where they're going wrong... 

[jazzer]

Who can afford the prices charged by Toad bakery, haven't they heard their is a cost of living CRISIS???????

[Ebenezer]

50 minutes ago, jazzer said:

Who can afford the prices charged by Toad bakery, haven't they heard their is a cost of living CRISIS???????

I can.

[ken78]

10 hours ago, Ebenezer said:

I can.

lucky you 

[Spartacus]

There are those who can and those who can't and lucky for the area, ED supports both groups of shoppers.

Personally I would tather pay a bit more for bread with good ingredients than cheap mass produced bread. However that's my personal choice and I fully respect others decisions on what they can and can not afford.  Food shouldn't be one upmanship but quality food should be available to all. 

[Humdinger]

19 hours ago, jazzer said:

Who can afford the prices charged by Toad bakery, haven't they heard their is a cost of living CRISIS???????

East Dulwich is mostly unaffected by this crisis. Most people are loaded, and live in houses that are worth at least the £1million mark. Its why M&S moved in, taking over from the budget chain Iceland. If people can afford M&S shopping, 40p on a carton of milk or pack of pasta is not going to make a jot of difference to them, they are already wealthy enough to pay way over the odds for their groceries. 

[jazzer]

No it's NOT.

Yes, people live in expensive houses, that's because houses have increased in value exponentially, it doesn't make people "loaded",as the value is in the property not in their pocket. 

If they choose to "pay way over the odds for groceries" it's because i) they don't value money and ii) they've got more money than sense, plain and simple. 

 

Just because people live in ED or on the fringes that's choice. Just stand back a moment and consider what properties cost 30 - 40 yeasr ago compared to today, then you'll understand why people are not cash rich and loaded.  

 

 

[EDulwich_4]

20 hours ago, jazzer said:

Who can afford the prices charged by Toad bakery, haven't they heard their is a cost of living CRISIS???????

Clearly the hundreds of people who queue outside it weekly... 

[Humdinger]

40 minutes ago, jazzer said:

No it's NOT.

Yes, people live in expensive houses, that's because houses have increased in value exponentially, it doesn't make people "loaded",as the value is in the property not in their pocket. 

If they choose to "pay way over the odds for groceries" it's because i) they don't value money and ii) they've got more money than sense, plain and simple. 

 

Just because people live in ED or on the fringes that's choice. Just stand back a moment and consider what properties cost 30 - 40 yeasr ago compared to today, then you'll understand why people are not cash rich and loaded.  

 

 

If people bought a house for sod all 30-40 years ago which is now worth £1million, they have absolutely no right to bleat about being 'not cash rich'. They would be swimming in wealth in under a week if they took a trip down to Foxtons. Could buy an even better house 10 miles outside of London and still have plenty to throw around until they push up daisies. 

[jazzer]

16 minutes ago, Humdinger said:

If people bought a house for sod all 30-40 years ago which is now worth £1million, they have absolutely no right to bleat about being 'not cash rich'. They would be swimming in wealth in under a week if they took a trip down to Foxtons. Could buy an even better house 10 miles outside of London and still have plenty to throw around until they push up daisies. 

And your point is, oh you don't have one. Why do you expect people who have lived their lives here to move and become cash rich as a result. What you clearly seem to miss/ignore is that house prices outside London are just as expensive, unless you decide to really downsize to and buy in a run down area. 

[Humdinger]

8 minutes ago, jazzer said:

And your point is, oh you don't have one. Why do you expect people who have lived their lives here to move and become cash rich as a result. What you clearly seem to miss/ignore is that house prices outside London are just as expensive, unless you decide to really downsize to and buy in a run down area. 

You are stubbornly choosing to ignore my point, which is a very valid one. House prices outside of London are not just as expensive. Lets not be silly now. 

[jazzer]

All depends where you may want to move too. Even moving to the NE is now expensive, so No I'm not ignoring your point, but rather highlighting that prices have significantly risen here from what they were 30 - 40 years ago, NO we ain't cash rich. 

[malumbu]

Calm down calm down.  I can quote that (for younger Readers the three scousers/Harry Enfield and Friends) as I once lived in Liverpool and whilst having a spat with a neighbour a local in a shell suit intervened to try and sort out our differences.  No it wasn't a mushroom induced dream, but it was the 1980s.

You are both right.  Those of us who moved here three decades ago had fairly modest salaries and neighbours and never expected the property market would get silly, particularly as the market was depressed for almost ten years.  People like me are still very careful with our money, which goes back to my early days of boozing using pocket money and a paper round, and going through higher education without a massive debt.  It is me you hear near Gail's in the Village talking about needing to remortgage the house to eat there.

But the demographics have changed and newbies buying (and renting?) in the area are a very different beast, with more expendable income even after paying for a subterranean extension and private education for the kids, and are probably less likely to check the prices in Gail's

There's a more serious conversation about demographics, wealth and the like.  I expect that that generations younger than me are more happy to splash the cash on frivolous things like takeaways.....  Maybe I am just a dinosaur 😀

 

 

 

Edited May 20, 2023 by malumbu

[AlexandHelenC]

19 hours ago, jazzer said:

All depends where you may want to move too. Even moving to the NE is now expensive, so No I'm not ignoring your point, but rather highlighting that prices have significantly risen here from what they were 30 - 40 years ago, NO we ain't cash rich. 

House prices in Dulwich rose faster than anywhere else in England from 1995 to 2017 - double the average increase even in London (see attached).

If you were lucky or wise enough to have bought property here 20 or 30 years ago,  the money you’ve made  will now buy you a much better house than you could have bought at the time in any other area.  

Edited May 20, 2023 by AlexandHelenC
Typo

[Penguin68]

22 minutes ago, AlexandHelenC said:

 the money you’ve made  will now buy you a much better house than you could have bought at the time in any other area.

You haven't actually made any money till you have sold - and why should you if you are happy where you are living? You could of course (I wouldn't advise it) re-mortgage to release equity, but to do so to buy expensive bread is probably a false economy. Asset rich, cash poor is a very real thing, and it still means living as if you're cash poor. Yes, investing in property in ED 30 years ago was a good property investment, but buying a house in ED 30 years ago and still living in that house gains you nothing, except in theory.

[L_M]

On 15/05/2023 at 08:28, ken78 said:

looks like they are doing both as you can still order a takeaway 

https://www.just-eat.co.uk/restaurants-jaflong-tandoori-east-dulwich-se22/menu 

yes - delivery/ collection only for Jaflong https://jaflongtakeaway.co.uk

The pizza joint is now open too. Not tried it yet; delivery/ collection. Opened in the last 10 days or so. Hope they do ok

https://orders.thepizzajoint.co.uk/

 

[ken78]

So pizza and curry from the same address  ??

[Peckhamgatecrasher]

I was looking forward to the new Pizza Joint as Papa John's doesn't cater for my taste.

Unfortunately, it doesn't do garlic, anchovies, artichokes or capers, all of which I like on a pizza.   I'll have to stick to The Gowlett.

[L_M]

17 hours ago, ken78 said:

So pizza and curry from the same address  ??

Correct.

I would guess there is a separate kitchen for the curry in the basement as when it was Jaflong in the restaurant; the food would arrive via a pulley/ dumb waiter to the restaurant area.

[Dogkennelhillbilly]

The slightly odd (but often remarkably busy) Sion Restaurant adjoining West Dulwich Station is reopening or rebranding as "Hot N Juicy Shrimp LDN, est 2019". Hope they do well. 👍

[scarlettbanks]

Peckham Arches has really good, new, BBQ-based food. Went on a Friday night - brought the kids along - outdoor eating with lively vibe - 2for1 cocktails before 7pm (I think, don't quote me on that) - good food with big portions - really enjoyed it! https://peckhamarches.com/ 

[teddyboy23]

Grove Vale cafe is going to be a Thai restaurant

[creditwheredue]

55 minutes ago, teddyboy23 said:

Grove Vale cafe is going to be a Thai restaurant

Good luck to them, GV is a dead spot at night, even the pub is empty during the week.  There used to be a very good Thai in Melbourne Grove but it didn’t last.   

[zork]

If it’s a decent Thai I don’t think it matters that Grove Vale is quiet at night. 
A good Thai or Vietnamese or other South East Asian is so needed so people will come and it’ll do really well on take aways… if it’s any cop and authentic.

Fingers Crossed 

[Rockets]

Anyone know what is going into the old bank in Dulwich Village? Definitely work going on inside it.