Grove tavern to reopen. Fact or fiction.

[Salsaboy]

Grove Tavern -> drive through McDonalds. It's gonna happen! No other McD's for miles.

[Bic Basher]

Salsaboy Wrote:

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> Grove Tavern -> drive through McDonalds. It's

> gonna happen! No other McD's for miles.

I wouldn't put it past them and more importantly, there's space.

[Otta]

Hehe heh, the evil in me would so love that to happen.

Bet a maccas would do better business than a pub there.

[Evolverx8]

Dulwich Estate said no to a McD's but I agree better than a pub which was rubbish in modern day standards and the buildings a crap one so it should come down.

[Bic Basher]

Evolverx8 Wrote:

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> Dulwich Estate said no to a McD's but I agree

> better than a pub which was rubbish in modern day

> standards and the buildings a crap one so it

> should come down.

And yet they'd rather have a derelict pub than a fast food outlet.

McDonalds on Westhorne Avenue I believe uses a former pub.

[Salsaboy]

McDonalds have a policy of using former pubs for stores. I know one of the team within McDonalds who deals with property and will be telling her about the Grove at the weekend.

[Siduhe]

I was told both McD's and Tesco have expressed serious interest in the site in the past but were turned down flat by the Dulwich Estate - by a neighbour but one who is very up on local happenings (we live close to the Grove) - and the current plan is residential with some small retail.

[Penguin68]

Leaving the building effectively derelict (even if 'boarded-up' with sheet steel) will make the case for complete demolition simpler. Its position (with garden and parking) and near a school with a boarding house and thus parents visiting who weren't local could well have made it a viable 'pub with rooms' - for longer-term visitors to Dulwich (the route the Dog is taking) - although the worry was that the estate (where its drop-in punters in the old days came from) would have given the wrong tone to a more up-market establishment. But I do feel its very sad to see the 'big' local pubs ruined or closed - most in the Dulwich Estate portfolio.

[Jeremy]

If it's a McD's, I'm going to be sent out every Saturday morning for a McSausage Muffin + hash brown run. Let's hope it doesn't happen.

[Jah Lush]

It won't be a McDonalds. If it does I will personally burn it to the ground.

[Otta]

Jeremy Wrote:

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> If it's a McD's, I'm going to be sent out every

> Saturday morning for a McSausage Muffin + hash

> brown run. Let's hope it doesn't happen.

Why would you be sent there when you live a 5 minute walk from a Maccas?

[Otta]

Jah Lush Wrote:

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> It won't be a McDonalds. If it does I will

> personally burn it to the ground.

Haha, you're the main reason I'd love it to become a McDonald's. The thought of your sheer horror and disgust makes me chuckle.

[Jeremy]

Otta Wrote:

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> Why would you be sent there when you live a 5

> minute walk from a Maccas?

More like a ten minute walk. "It will be cold by the time I'm home" usually does the trick.

[Salsaboy]

Spoke to my friend who works for McD's. They say that there is currently 'an open and positive line of communication' between McD's and the DE.

Get your driving gloves on Jeremy!

[natty01295]

Any news yet

[James Barber]

TfL have told me via GLA Assembly Member Caroline Pidgeon that adding pedestrian phasing to the traffic lights is dependent upon funding from any development of this site.

[EdButler]

Hi James.

How likely do you think this will be? I've been pressing Helen Hayes on the issue as its crazy that there's no pedestrian crossing here. She recently intimated that TFL were close to sorting one out.

thanks

[James Barber]

Hi EdButler,

TfL say they have final draft plans ready to proceed with WHEN the land/money is provided by any new development there.

The plans involve taking some of the existing land, widening the road a little to enable a new traffic island in the middle so the crossing on that western arm would be a two-stage pedestrian crossing. Or at least that's what they're proposing.

My hunch would be 2-4 years time.

We could seek to pseed this up by agreeing with the Dulwich Estate and getting some devlovled TfL funding from LIP but I doubt the administration or officers would be keen to take this approach - it would be swapping speed <12months for circa ?50,000 of TfL Southwark would never see in the future.

But I can ask.

[wulfhound]

Fingers crossed..

[EdButler]

Thanks James. Hopefully it'll be more like two years! Either way, it will provide significant improvement to safety. Scary watching some parents with their children trying to cross......

[Otta]

It seems really wrong to me that TFL can not do something for people's safety if they have responsibility for it. Why should the developer chip in, they don't own the road?

And why is it down to TFL as opposed to Southwark highways? I've never quite gotten my head around who is responsible for what.

[Otta]

Just answered my own question.

https://tfl.gov.uk/corporate/about-tfl/what-we-do/roads

I still think it's wrong to expect the developers to pay for this, being as it's an existing unsafe crossing point.

[steveo]

If it's to be a MacD's, with all the associated litter, carmageddon hell, obesity, the destruction of a nice old building, the loss of a pub, garish neon lighting and apple pies that burn the roof of your mouth, as far as I'm concerned they can pay for attendants to give us piggy backs over the road

[Jeremy]

McDonald's doesn't make you obese. Big Mac and fries, something like 800 calories. So a third of a man's RDA. It's pretty salty, but not a problem as long as you don't eat it too often.

[James Barber]

Hi Otta,

I agree. But the south circular is a TfL road and so they are the highway authority for this junction.

Relinquishing some of the land for a wider road allowing a pedestrian island other than via a Compulsory Purchase Order will need the cooperation of the Dulwich Estate as freeholder and the leaseholder.