New Year Fat Attack 14.7 to 12.7 in two months ...

[Otta]

I've never been slim, but for the first time in my life my weight is bothering me. Feel really unfit and heavy, and need to drop a stone.

But I won't.

[????]

Back on the 5/2...

A personal best steveo?

[Robert Poste's Child]

My spare tyre has gone down slightly. Missing the afternoon tea slot that you get used to over the break though.

[steveo]

I do a diluted version (5 1/2 1 1/2) since my weight isn't a prob

I think I've been doing it as long as you Quids and apart from the crashing boredom, it's quite effective.

[steveo]

But beer. Damn that beer

[Otta]

Beer is my main problem. Although I put weight on in October when I was off the booze but craving a load of sweet shite as a result.

[????]

I've managed to stop the sauce in the week for some time now and have been a moderate drinker (by previous standards)for a few years now. To the extent that on the rare occasions I do go out on sessions I feel very lightweight and am noticeably more pissed than those who are used to it as I go back to old drinking volume with no ability to drink like that anymore,

- related it was scary how quickly my tolerance ramped up just with 2 weeks of daily boozing over Christmas.

[Help-Ma-Boab]

Put on 2lbs! it MUST be the scales.

[red devil]

Have you been excercising H-M-B?...muscle weighs heavier than fat ;-)

[Jeremy]

I wouldn't expect much muscle gain from a jog round the rye though..

[Help-Ma-Boab]

3 jogs round the rye RD, you could be right. Muscle build up (or the last of the xmas chocolate, roll and sausage at the Hamlet game, 5 pints and a scampi supper on,the way home!)

Reckon it?s a slow burner and I will see improved results by next Mondays weigh in.

Perseverance and mental toughness, that?s all that?s required!

red devil Wrote:

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> Have you been excercising H-M-B?...muscle weighs

> heavier than fat ;-)

[Mick Mac]

Well.....Having eaten very little (and I mean that) and zero alcohol, increased walking - I'm on 13st 11 this morning.

I'm comparing that with 14st 4 starting weight of last Monday morning (the 14.7 was an evening weigh in)

I v pleased. But have fallen out with everyone at home as I don't eat with them and I go to bed early, am maybe a bit grumpy.

I have done this in the past and am quite good at losing weight when I'm v focussed especially during the working week - but normally I put some back on at weekends - so I waited until this morning before making a comparison.

Next Saturday I'm in Ireland with family, drinking and eating for one night, so hoping that doesn't kill my momentum.

[DulwichFox]

It is important to realise that in general eating Fat does not make you Fat.

Carbohydrates that are not burnt off makes you Fat.

Foods like bread contain high levels of Carbs.

and even with Low GI breads you still have to burn off those carbs.

There is a process called de novo lipogenesis (literally: Creation of fat from non-fat sources)

that can occur in the body.

This process turns glucose into lipids, which are then stored as body fat.

http://examine.com/faq/how-are-carbohydrates-converted-into-fat-deposits.html

It is also important to remain hydrated to help maintain muscle and help digest the food you eat.

Then exercise will become easier and you can lose weight naturally whilst still eating as normal.

No need to starve yourself.

DulwichFox

[Help-Ma-Boab]

I think that I may overhydrate.

DulwichFox Wrote:

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> It is important to realise that in general eating

> Fat does not make you Fat.

>

> Carbohydrates that are not burnt off makes you

> Fat.

> Foods like bread contain high levels of Carbs.

> and even with Low GI breads you still have to

> burn off those carbs.

>

> There is a process called de novo lipogenesis

> (literally: Creation of fat from non-fat sources)

> that can occur in the body.

> This process turns glucose into lipids, which are

> then stored as body fat.

>

> http://examine.com/faq/how-are-carbohydrates-conve

> rted-into-fat-deposits.html

>

> It is also important to remain hydrated to help

> maintain muscle and help digest the food you eat.

> Then exercise will become easier and you can lose

> weight naturally whilst still eating as normal.

> No need to starve yourself.

>

> DulwichFox

[katanita]

Maybe have misread, but yes, fat will make you fat, as will carbs, or protein, any form of calories, if you eat more than you burn off overall. It really is that simple. GI etc only really that relevant if you need to worry about blood sugar levels.

Other than that the macronutrient (carb/protein/fat) balance is much much less relevant for weight loss. More protein/fat will probably help you feel fuller, which can help, but apart from that, it's calories out vs calories in all the way. (If you are exercising, looking to keep lean muscle mass, etc, then the macronutrient balance has more relevance, you need carbs for energy, and a significant protein intake + strength training to keep muscle. Still need fat for other functions too. So it's a balance. I aim for a ratio of 40:30:30 carbs:protein:fat)

That's all the 5:2/weight watchers/cabbage soup diets are doing when done properly (ketosis based regimes aside). You just have to find a way that works for you, for me it was tracking everything and being very precise about it, for some people it will be dropping sugar calories, for others cutting out butter and oils, 5:2 etc. But to avoid putting it all back on later, it needs to be something you can keep up afterwards to stick at maintenance and not go back to old habits of eating too many calories. This is why I'll still be using My Fitness Pal for tracking at maintenance, because I find it so helpful.

Was staggered by how simple it was when I started tracking and realised that all of the anti sugar/anti fat/fad diet nonsense was just a distraction from calorie intake, I don't know how it's become so over complicated in our society.

BTW You don't need to starve yourself, feel grumpy, be hungry. If you are, you are probably on too aggressive a calorie deficit, so just raise it back up to whatever you find easier, and it will just take a bit longer, that's all. Happy to give pointers if anyone wants to start MFP and needs help getting started.

DulwichFox Wrote:

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> It is important to realise that in general eating

> Fat does not make you Fat.

>

> Carbohydrates that are not burnt off makes you

> Fat.

> Foods like bread contain high levels of Carbs.

> and even with Low GI breads you still have to

> burn off those carbs.

>

> There is a process called de novo lipogenesis

> (literally: Creation of fat from non-fat sources)

> that can occur in the body.

> This process turns glucose into lipids, which are

> then stored as body fat.

>

> http://examine.com/faq/how-are-carbohydrates-conve

> rted-into-fat-deposits.html

>

> It is also important to remain hydrated to help

> maintain muscle and help digest the food you eat.

> Then exercise will become easier and you can lose

> weight naturally whilst still eating as normal.

> No need to starve yourself.

>

> DulwichFox

[red devil]

katanita Wrote:

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>...I don't know how

> it's become so over complicated in our society.

Might that have something to do with the multi-million pound diet industry perchance? ;-)

Good post katanita, for the most people it really is how you manage your calorie intake v outake...

[katanita]

Yeah, that might have something to do with it. Many health food brands are owned by companies who are also selling less healthy food (e.g. Slim Fast owned by Unilever). So the yoyo dieters are their best customers! It's not in their interest to have people just eat less calories at all.

Another note on fats I didn't mention above is that they are twice as calorific per gram as carbs/proteins, so easier to rack up the calories with a higher fat diet, something to watch out for as well. Not anti fat/pro carbs or anything like that, it's just about having a good balance and staying under your calories burned.

red devil Wrote:

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> katanita Wrote:

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> >...I don't know how

> > it's become so over complicated in our society.

>

>

> Might that have something to do with the

> multi-million pound diet industry perchance? ;-)

> Good post katanita, for the most people it really

> is how you manage your calorie intake v outake...

[Mick Mac]

Yes - good post Katanita -

I was overegging the grumpy bit.... it really because I'm bored.

[Help-Ma-Boab]

IM overegging my French Toast, which I fry with a couple rashers for my Saturday brekkie. Could account for the extra couple pounds this week. Forcing myself to get out and trot round the park tonight. Hhaaaaaaaaaard.

Mick Mac Wrote:

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> Yes - good post Katanita -

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>

> I was overegging the grumpy bit.... it really

> because I'm bored.

[Robert Poste's Child]

Is anyone still going with this? I'm trying to get back on track after a food-filled weekend away. Cold weather not helping.

[Help-Ma-Boab]

Yep. Monday weigh in was better than previous. Couple pounds dropped. Gutties on tonight for trot round park.

[????]

Half a tin of beans, two cups of black coffee

[katanita]

Out of interest, did anyone take up my suggestion of trying My Fitness Pal? I'm not on commission or anything, promise, I just think it's really brilliant.

[Help-Ma-Boab]

Is that the Sickboy method Quids?

Katanita, I have my own tried and very unscientific methods...so not for me that one. Thanks for suggesting though.

Just back from my trot round park. Seems EVERYBODY overtakes me...

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> Half a tin of beans, two cups of black coffee

[Pickle]

katanita Wrote:

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> Out of interest, did anyone take up my suggestion

> of trying My Fitness Pal? I'm not on commission or

> anything, promise, I just think it's really

> brilliant.

I use My Fitness Pal, and agree it's excellent, especially given it's free. I have it all linked up so that my Garmin running watch syncs with it and gives me credit for my running. Love that you can scan barcodes, and that it's an international database.