Paris shootings - several dead

[miga]

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[El Pibe]

I was joshing you. I'm wont to do the same thing you see.

[miga]

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[El Pibe]

touch? :-D

[StraferJack]

that's already been done anyway miga

(darn it, can't find* the link)

* remember where I saw it

[Jeremy]

El Pibe Wrote:

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> Any attempts to assuage the sensitivity to a weak

> rationalisation of offence taking is an utter

> capitulation to elnightenment principles of free speech

This is not a simple choice between re-running the cartoons, or giving into terrorism...

[uncleglen]

I can't believe they have been acting up over their prophet since at least 1989 (Salman Rushdie's fatwah)! Shows a distinct lack of evolution imho

[ernesto]

dont do it UG, its too easy to fall into the uncivilised/ savages/ barbarians meme from there

[miga]

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[Otta]

uncleglen Wrote:

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> I can't believe they have been acting up over

> their prophet since at least 1989 (Salman

> Rushdie's fatwah)! Shows a distinct lack of

> evolution imho

25 years. Not a long time in terms of "evolution".

[El Pibe]

The Catholic Church may be many things, it may indeed be many rum things, but fundamentalist it ain't.

It's pretty much the institutional embodiment of adapt or die.

For something that behemothic, with that much institutional inertia, to have lasted this long is staggering.

[it was a little bizarre admittedly; any heads up on a 'my bad' for those cathars yet?]

[JohnL]

I don't see offended - but I see some victim blaming and denial (it's a western conspiracy).

In the FT now - wonder if it will be pulled.

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/9f90f482-9672-11e4-a40b-00144feabdc0.html#axzz3O9RezBxH

StraferJack Wrote:

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> "And I know people that were offended a few years

> back by the Danish cartoon thing. These are not

> people that would support terrorism or want to

> kill people."

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> Muslims I know are mixed but I get definite

> impression the "offended" are on the wane - just

> like people who believed not going to mass in

> Ireland meant certain damnation. I still know

> peolpe like that but really they are just indulged

> and if they are offended by people not going to

> mass - that's really, totally very OK

>

> Being offended for no reason other than a weird

> belief doesn't bestow any rights.

[ernesto]

Mensch/Bagshaw gets in quick, gets it wrong

[El Pibe]

cartoonists respond

http://www.buzzfeed.com/ryanhatesthis/heartbreaking-cartoons-from-artists-in-response-to-the-ch?utm_term=.qo4DEP1bn#.rwVv0QjPo

[miga]

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[david_carnell]

Because it's about power....not belief.

It allowed the Taliban to hold power and fear over the population and it allows nearly all other religions to do the same. Do this. Don't do that. You'll burn in hell for this. You'll get xyorz in heaven for that. So on and so forth. All nonsense.

I'm shocked these chaps haven't been caught yet but no doubt there will be clamouring that France requires more invasive surveillance a la the UK from tomorrow. The Sun are already suggesting that our best hope of avoiding similar is giving the security services more powers in their editorial. Thus missing the point of all of this. It's about freedoms.

[miga]

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[El Pibe]

oh christ a policewoman killed this morning. In an odd way I hope this is the same people.

If it isn't and this sort of thing continues, it'll will move from being counterterrorism policing to counterinsurgency.

Something that wouldn't bode well for ordinary muslims in France.

Especially, dare I say, given France's role in Algeria in creating the template we've seen operate in some of the more brutal suppressions around the world, of the last 60+ odd years.

I sincerely hope cool heads prevail, and these shitbags are caught quickly.

[Otta]

They could have at least had the decency to blow themselves up whilst they were at it.

Cunts

[steveo]

I think they'll be dead this afternoon

[El Pibe]

amen to that...so to speak....

[JohnL]

Same guys robbed a petrol station apparently.

[Otta]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-30721677

[uncleglen]

The Catholic Church has definitely taken a turn for the worst in the last 10 years - at least it has in it's brainwashing assemblies in schools- I have this on good authority.

[Otta]

Yeah, it's far woirse now than it was in the 1970s...

Oh wait...