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Jeremy

Jeremy

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El Pibe Wrote:

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> Any attempts to assuage the sensitivity to a weak

> rationalisation of offence taking is an utter

> capitulation to elnightenment principles of free speech


This is not a simple choice between re-running the cartoons, or giving into terrorism...

Otta

Otta

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uncleglen Wrote:

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> I can't believe they have been acting up over

> their prophet since at least 1989 (Salman

> Rushdie's fatwah)! Shows a distinct lack of

> evolution imho



25 years. Not a long time in terms of "evolution".

El Pibe

El Pibe

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The Catholic Church may be many things, it may indeed be many rum things, but fundamentalist it ain't.


It's pretty much the institutional embodiment of adapt or die.


For something that behemothic, with that much institutional inertia, to have lasted this long is staggering.


[it was a little bizarre admittedly; any heads up on a 'my bad' for those cathars yet?]

JohnL

JohnL

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I don't see offended - but I see some victim blaming and denial (it's a western conspiracy).


In the FT now - wonder if it will be pulled.


http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/9f90f482-9672-11e4-a40b-00144feabdc0.html#axzz3O9RezBxH



StraferJack Wrote:

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> "And I know people that were offended a few years

> back by the Danish cartoon thing. These are not

> people that would support terrorism or want to

> kill people."

>

> Muslims I know are mixed but I get definite

> impression the "offended" are on the wane - just

> like people who believed not going to mass in

> Ireland meant certain damnation. I still know

> peolpe like that but really they are just indulged

> and if they are offended by people not going to

> mass - that's really, totally very OK

>

> Being offended for no reason other than a weird

> belief doesn't bestow any rights.

david_carnell

david_carnell

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Because it's about power....not belief.


It allowed the Taliban to hold power and fear over the population and it allows nearly all other religions to do the same. Do this. Don't do that. You'll burn in hell for this. You'll get xyorz in heaven for that. So on and so forth. All nonsense.


I'm shocked these chaps haven't been caught yet but no doubt there will be clamouring that France requires more invasive surveillance a la the UK from tomorrow. The Sun are already suggesting that our best hope of avoiding similar is giving the security services more powers in their editorial. Thus missing the point of all of this. It's about freedoms.

El Pibe

El Pibe

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oh christ a policewoman killed this morning. In an odd way I hope this is the same people.


If it isn't and this sort of thing continues, it'll will move from being counterterrorism policing to counterinsurgency.

Something that wouldn't bode well for ordinary muslims in France.


Especially, dare I say, given France's role in Algeria in creating the template we've seen operate in some of the more brutal suppressions around the world, of the last 60+ odd years.


I sincerely hope cool heads prevail, and these shitbags are caught quickly.

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