Vintage video of Camberwell and Peckham

[Willard]

Apologies if these have been posted before but this film shows a fascinating insight into the changing face of the area nearly 50 years ago. It's in 2 parts:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GwuvwHYraKo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hhuagMMcA_E

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[Jah Lush]

They've been posted several times.

[grace3]

but I never seen em before.'life before the mortage crew' little kids running home for their tea without a nanny in sight. Charming.

[SteveUK1978]

Really interesting - thanks for posting.

Turned out the modern, safe, light and airy housing blocks didn't stand the test of time compared the the dirty, dark victorian properties!

[mikeb]

brilliant, thanks for posting. Does anyone know where the dairy farm was?

[minder]

It's not nearly 50 years ago but nearly 52 years ago.

[sg333]

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[Otta]

SteveUK1978 Wrote:

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> Really interesting - thanks for posting.

>

> Turned out the modern, safe, light and airy

> housing blocks didn't stand the test of time

> compared the the dirty, dark victorian properties!

Not sure I agree, many of these blocks still stand and house lots of people. My parent's Victorian house in ED only got an indoor toilet about 1975.

Basically there's an element of snobbery in people being so desperate to live in a Victorian house.

[ernesto]

mikeb Wrote:

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> brilliant, thanks for posting. Does anyone know

> where the dairy farm was?

Oglander I think/ still there

[Willard]

Otta Wrote:

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> Not sure I agree, many of these blocks still stand

> and house lots of people. My parent's Victorian

> house in ED only got an indoor toilet about 1975.

>

> Basically there's an element of snobbery in people

> being so desperate to live in a Victorian house.

The "new" blocks that still stand are roughly 50 years old. It is unlikely they will see another 50 years. The victorian houses are roughly 150 years old and will likely see another 150 years. Not much to agree or disagree on in terms of which ones have stood the test of time.

[Otta]

Anything can last 150 years if they are maintained. There is the difference.

[ernesto]

much of the ED 19c housing stock is a pretty poor example of the era - you may be fond of your 750K semi with side return , but the chances are it has virtually no foundation & some well flimsy internal stuff going on eg crap joist fitment & no tying in. the stock in the area was virtually no different in concept than any other large scale speculative design of later times.

[miga]

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[Otta]

Well said miga.

There were some horrid looking estates (Haygate I'm looking at you), but equally there was no need to knock it down, Southwark could have updated it for less money than they've had to spend on the shambolic arrangements with Lend Lease. But at the end of the day it was unsightly, and knocking it down gave them the perfect chance rid the borough of those unsightly residents.

Personally I hate the Barbican, but I know poeple that think it's wonderful. Different folks and all that. But in terms of interior, give me a large open spacious flat over a pokey victorian or 1930s house any day.

I used to think having a garden was important to me, but had one for 5 years until last Feb, rarely used it, and haven't missed it at all except for no birthday BBQ.

[Willard]

miga Wrote:

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> The refurbishing and redoing of Victorian terraces

> has been in fashion how long? Maybe 30 years (if

> you were a pioneer)?

Probably nearer 50+ years. The Camberwell Society has been around for 45 years and came into existence in response to the first group of people trying to renovate and save the houses on Camberwell Grove. They'd been doing this since the late 50s/ early 60s. I'd consider them pioneers.

> There is already a fashion groundswell of redoing

> ex-LA flats in era-appropriate ways, and "mid

> century modern" has been a popular phrase for a

> few years too.

Isn't this more to do with the amount of ex-LA flats which are now in private hands? They are also more affordable for younger first time buyers, so the groundswell is as much financial as fashion. Leaving aside the private ownership debate, this level of maintenance will help secure their future.

I agree about a matter of taste, but many "pokey" (Otta's word) Victorian house these days are opened up into bright modern spaces. As prices rise and we all try and get best use of space, this will increase too.

[miga]

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