BBC - Is it value for money?

[mockney piers]

If by one trick you mean quality drama, then yip, and how!!!

Agree about value for money. The estate I live in charge me more than the effing council, and for my money I get the lawns mowed and all the flats get painted. woo.

Beeb truly is worth the fee despite it's pitfalls, and lets face it, it actually pays for the likes of paxman and brooker to utterly savage it from time to time and hopefully improve its output. screen\newswipe really should be required viewing.

[Jah Lush]

Absobloodylutely. When you consider the alternatives, which isn't up to much.

[Brendan]

Wot Jah said.

The news services alone are worth the fee. Not to mention what is widely thought of as the best website in the world. We are hugely lucky to have an independent public service broadcaster in this country. It would be a sad day indeed if the information we received came only from the likes of Murdock inc. and the politically biased news papers.

Not to mention how valuable it is to people in other countries with state/corporation controlled media who use it as a source of unbiased information.

While I may have a few gripes about it and I don?t think it is perfect all-in-all the BBC is one of the things the people of Britain should be justifiably proud of.

[taper]

With all its faults, we'd be an awful lot poorer as a nation if we didn't have it.

One of the most unpleasant blogs on the net is dedicated

to attacking the Beeb. Shake your head in despair and read

www.biased-bbc.blogspot.com

[AllforNun]

"The BBC is an extraordinary achievement in terms of programming, costs less than a third of Sky, who make none. ........"

Oh my god will you people get real ! the BBC a third of the cost of sky ! WHAT A LOAD OF DRIVEL, absolutely no way, the BBC has had as much money as British Rail poured into it, you have no idea of the costs of SKY TV because Murdoch is to TV what Sub Prime was to mortgages. All these things you like so much can be delivered for a fraction of the cost. Best website in the world..... please. This forum better and move innovative than them. The BBC needs to keep it fucking nose out of multi media, they have spent a fortune on it and do not have the expertise in that field it will be outdated in 4 years and they will chase another quick fix. The Government need to centralize the Online arms of all these public service broadcasters, why pay 3 times for something that you can pay for once. The problem is you will never know ho much money they have wasted chasing technology. SKY built a satellite based multi platform years ago (no small feat) and have barely touched it since, the BBC were laughing about it back in the 90's then 8 years later when they realized they had been shafted they had to run to the government (ask for extra money) and build free view at a huge cost, that will be defunct soon as its already full of shite and repeats, now they have moved into online again without thinking...they just make it up as they go along and successive governments fall for it. Now the select committee have turned them over Thompson is now singing about partnerships to anyone who will listen. grab his statements 6-months back about how the BBC is unique and can not tie up with anyone, he is a u-turn waiting to happen, why because he does not have the first fucking clue, he spent most of his early years in TV biting people ! So to summarise i reckon you could get everything you still enjoy for a fraction of the fucking costs if they just concentrated on making programs and centralized all the other stuff. The problem with that though would be the power would swing back to the people who know how to make telly and the endless layers of management would be...er....well screwed. No worries they could all kiss goodbye to Islington and go up to Manchester and man the BBC phone lines up there !!

[citizenED]

The BBC is a unique entity. We should be mightily proud in the UK that we can sustain such an organisation. Value for money - you bet.

[AllforNun]

Mmmm such fantasy worthy of J.K Rowling!

When you say unique you mean unique in the way that it waste's an absolute fortune of our money? Here is small list of 'unique' broadcasters in the same vein as the BBC

India - Prasar Bharati: Pakistan - PBC : Hong Kong - RTHK : Japan NHK : Malaysia - RTM: Italy - RAI: Denmark DR: Norway - NRK: Sweden - SR: Finland - YLE : Chile - Television Nacional: ....just a few other unique ones!

It?s the biggest broadcaster in the world because and only because it takes the most amount of money from the inhabitants of the country it is based in. Rather like the fact that Prince William is bleeding rich because he was born into money, there is no mystery here; the BBC is not a divine gift from the gods made great by the best of middle class Britain. But people do believe that and that?s why it is such an arrogant corporation.

[Huguenot]

Throwing stones at buses again AFN?

[Huguenot]

It took me less than a minute to prove you wrong AFN

UK license fee: 139.50 GBP

NHK (Japan) annual license fee: 171 GBP

DR (Denmark) annual license fee: 301 GBP

NRK (Norway) annual license fee: 214 GBP

As usual, absolute nonsense is the order of the day in Nunhead.

What I don't understand is why you make stuff up, usually abusive stuff. What possible joy can you get by being so unpleasant? Is it a disorder?

[AllforNun]

Dear swisss cheese..............mmm absolute nonsense to you to, i shall start by pointing out to you that the population of Norway is approximately 4.5 million where as the uk population is approximately 60million + !

Now having put another gaping hole in your cheesy like proof rating i shall return back to my meditative state, await your apology and point out that surely by now you should refrain from getting over excited and making a big nicompoop of yourself ! I take no joy in making you look like a bloated squirrel, absolutely none at all!

Much Lurve AFN x x

Oooh and do not spend to much time trying to figure out Japan, the fee is structured differently and once you crunch the numbers you'll just come off worse again ! just a heads up as there are a number of good threads that will occupy your time better x x

[Huguenot]

AFN, you now want to make this an argument about population? It is a facet of your debating style that you try and move the goalposts in order to score simple-minded points.

The question for this thread is value for money. This is about the investment made by individuals, and the return they receive. The evidence is that the UK fee is lower than elsewhere, and it results in a product that is demonstrably better than elsewhere.

At 38p per day, it's lower than the cost of a tabloid newspaper. I think if we were honest (which you're not) we'd have to say the BBC represented better value than that too?

To compare this website, in all it's glory, with the BBC is facile. To claim this website is 'better' is moronic.

I recognise that there are elements in the population who would burn books, destroy farms and shit on ATMs. There is a place in the world for them in Zimbabwe. I'm pleased that they don't have the option to influence the media landscape in the UK.

There appears, as usual, to be nothing on your agenda sheet except to sneer at anything that through your envy, indolence and bitterness you couldn't create yourself. I hope I'm wrong, I would be embarrassed for you.

[Tony.London Suburbs]

Worth it for David Attenborough and Match Of The Day and BBC 4 slone.

Add The Radio. "i"player and only begin to scratch the surface of the greatest broadcasting station in the World.

[Tony.London Suburbs]

Most of the best Comedy shows from the Late 1950's and Tony Hancock onwards have been on the Beeb as well....Blackadder/Monty Python/Fawlty Towers/Steptoe/Till Death Us Do Part/Alan Partridge/Porridge/Only Fools and Horses/The Office/Extras/Black Books/The Day Today...add Light Entertainment like Morecambe and Wise and The Two Ronnies add the fabulous Drama Series...the list would go on and on...

Used to be first rate for Sport....

[AllforNun]

" The question for this thread is value for money. This is about the investment made by individuals, and the return theyreceive. The evidence is that the UK fee is lower than elsewhere, and it results in a product that is demonstrably better than elsewhere. "

ER! what an earth are you wanging on about, moving goal posts ? just do the math

BBC 139.50 X 60million

Norway 214.00 X 4.5 Million

so your point is what .. your point is just plain SILLY. ! you make a program and you broadcast it you do not need 15x the money to do that do you? And there is nothing moronic about this website you blinkered old goat ! try fucking making a comment on the BBC website, come on chop chop, you will be scrutinized, asked for all your personal details before you even get to post. I am getting a bit tired of your frankly STUPID and half baked responses, if you want to get into to it do your research properly, every fucking time i have to respond to your NONSENSE i have to interupt a download of my favourite afternoon movie, i have broken the link to "COME IN MY BACKDOOR IV" twice already today. and as for "your envy, indolence and bitterness you couldn't create yourself" i have fucking created it myself as they have been robbing me for 40+ years !

[LegalEagle-ish]

Best TV, radio and educational internet on the planet. It's worth double what we pay for it.

[Tony.London Suburbs]

Treble.

[Reg Smeeton]

AllforNun Wrote:

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> " The question for this thread is value for money.

> This is about the investment made by individuals,

> and the return theyreceive. The evidence is that

> the UK fee is lower than elsewhere, and it results

> in a product that is demonstrably better than

> elsewhere. "

>

> ER! what an earth are you wanging on about, moving

> goal posts ? just do the math

>

> BBC 139.50 X 60million

> Norway 214.00 X 4.5 Million

>

> so your point is what .. your point is just plain

> SILLY. ! you make a program and you broadcast it

> you do not need 15x the money to do that do you?

> And there is nothing moronic about this website

> you blinkered old goat ! try @#$%& making a

> comment on the BBC website, come on chop chop, you

> will be scrutinized, asked for all your personal

> details before you even get to post. I am getting

> a bit tired of your frankly STUPID and half baked

> responses, if you want to get into to it do your

> research properly, every @#$%& time i have to

> respond to your NONSENSE i have to interupt a

> download of my favourite afternoon movie, i have

> broken the link to "COME IN MY BACKDOOR IV" twice

> already today. and as for "your envy, indolence

> and bitterness you couldn't create yourself" i

> have @#$%& created it myself as they have been

> robbing me for 40+ years !

AFN, you aren't Nulwich Noll in disguise are you? I'm getting feelings of deja vu.

Personally I'd still think BBC was good value if all it had was Radio 4. I bet I wouldn't enjoy Norway's equivalent a tenth as much, especially since I don't speak Norwegian.

[Tony.London Suburbs]

Nor way is Oslo Radio better, in any event Reg..

[AllforNun]

Hey guys WOW treble, christ then they should charge that, allow everyone else to opt out and bingo job done !

i do not think anyone on the planet would pay ?420.00 quid a year for radio stations !...although obviously there are a

few?

as for "Best TV, radio and educational internet on the planet" have you trawled the radio and tv stationsof the planet ? i mean really what on earth are you babling about, the educational part obviously did not work on you !

Now if you don't mind i am stealing the entire series of Dads army from pirate bay x x x much love AFN

[citizenED]

The licence is per household, not per person, so ?140 x 60 mill is incorrect. In our household two earners pay for the use of the TV by four people (plus any guests). More importantly to my mind, I don't watch that much TV so my payment of the licence allows your access to as much TV as you like. I'm happy to be helping you out.

[AllforNun]

MMM...more genius math ! well let's ask johnny ball what he thinks !

I think this : if we say divide the 60mill by 2 to roughly reflect the house hold then we still have 30+million, we would then have to apply that math to Norway so we would divide 4.5mil by 2 and come up with 2.25 Mil.....the distance between the two figures remains as large.

Thank you johnny, and can i say i loved you on the Beeb. Anyway we all love to help out, but i object to paying for Mark Thompsons Tweed suits and his blue movies !

[AllforNun]

"THERE IS A STRONG CASE for dismantling the BBC. It spends

over ?4 billion every year, most of it on undistinguished

programmes which are indistinguishable from what is available

on competitive unsubsidised channels. It also uses this subsidy

to compete unfairly with commercial companies in areas like

publishing and the internet. Many people also see it as a

propaganda vehicle for the liberal ?lite whose views and values

are at odds with those of most of its audience." Sir Anthony Jay

Just for a little light reading, it's just one opinion though. http://www.cps.org.uk/search/default.asp - search BBC, and you can view and read "how to save the BBC"

[LegalEagle-ish]

AFN when my daughter's school went into special measures in her last year, the BCC Bitesize website helped her get through her GCSEs.

Luckily i haven't had to rely on their educational facilities, but their online French course is very useful.

[Mick Mac]

I think its pretty good value. Nice to have a base package that we all have to pay for. I'm a big supporter of the the BBC. Think very little of ITV, could easily do without it. C4 is probably second best behind the Beeb channels, for me.

[Huguenot]

AFN, You quote a 78 year old embittered has-been as your biggest fan?

Gumbo.

What TV stations do you think are doing a good job?