East Dulwich Street cred.

[Loz]

I'm an indecent poster. I'm not actually wearing any clothes.

[MrBen]

Louisa Wrote:

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> I would love to find out what quids definition of

> a "decent poster" is? It seems to me if you can't

> stand the heat you get out of the kitchen.

>

> Louisa.

Well here's mine? People who have opinions but also open minds and who can provide some balance and depth to the debate and discussion. A modicum of intelligence to give some new angles is a plus....and a willingness to start some new and interesting threads that aren't just a multiple rehash of the same old crap...what quidsy says makes sense to anyone with brain and some optimism /joy in their lives.

[Louisa]

MrBen what would you propose as 'balance and depth'? A discussion can take a subjective or objective route, there is no right or wrong answer to anything. Threads will inevitably be rehashed in an online environment if they have not been adequately addressed in the real world. New people join the forum, old ones leave, consequently dead and buried discussions emerge from the ashes. Some of the new voices may well only reignite those threads or discussions because they agree or disagree with someone's opinion. What's wrong with that? You make the assumption everyone should be on the same page in terms of intellectual capacity and debating skills. Even if they are on a level playing field, why should you assume they are stupid for wanting to talk about something discussed previously? Balance and depth means something entirely different to each and every one of us.

Louisa.

[Alan Medic]

I'd still like to know the answer to the question I asked you Louisa.

[Seabag]

I think the 'Old School' ED trail would partly consist of the following

A visit to the Nunhead bakery shop place.

It's an institution and deffo old ED to its roots. Buy a loaf, a white loaf that is and while you're at it peruse and sample the industrial margarine laden baked goods. The last time I was there a lady was calling someone a cnut down the phone, whilst ordering a sandwich and holding her son. Quite the multi tasker

Then off to that fismonger. Again deffo old ED to it's roots

You'll not miss the shop, it's the one with the corroding freezer and day-glow stars with 'offers' in stuck everywhere. Peruse the frozen selection of crab claws and lobster tails, which are neither crab claws or lobster tails in reality. Cast your eyes over the often sallow and listless fish on display. Buy a jar of cockles or a tub of defrositing 'fish food' prawns

Then head to Kebab & Wine if your still hungry. It's old ED's oldest Kebab & Wine outlet, so it must be good

I think that's probably about it for day one. I'm sure though that there's some other gems to be explored, catch them while they're there. Things are moving on a pace in ED (and Nunhead)

You'll probably have a tear in your eye by the end, finding yourself asking the inevitable "Why can't all the shops in ED be like this"

It's a question I often find myself asking too

[Louisa]

Alan Medic many of the businesses which have been local to the area going back many years are hardly mentioned on this forum. The historical context of the area needs to be more embraced. A lot of the time all I come across on here is how best to change the area rather than adapt it.

Louisa.

[Earl Aelfheah]

If you want 'old ED', just board up half the shops and open a few more nail bars and junk food gaffs.

[Louisa]

Seabag I do hope your tongue is superglued to your cheek when you came out with that virtual tour. But we all know, other than K&W the other two are Nunhead based, so they can't be included on this particular tour ;-)

Louisa.

[Earl Aelfheah]

All this 'it was better in the good old days' bullshit is getting tired already.

[Louisa]

I don't remember too many nail bars in ED twenty years ago. I don't remember too many take aways either. I do however, remember a rather successful family run fruit and veg shop where Franco Manca now is and the great Walsh Glaziers opposite which was ED to the core. Selective memory Rah when it comes to the ED of old?

Louisa.

[Alan Medic]

I was here twenty years ago Louise and more. The area has improved overall. Those businesses you refer to are not of particular interest on a forum where what's interesting to most is what's new. It's not disrespectful, just human nature.

You use a phrase 'the historical context of the area needs to be more embraced'. By whom and why and how? If someone only knows ED for say 5 years, well that's the limit of their experience.

I'm just glad I wasn't in Ireland when Cromwell was around. Perhaps if I was to just live in the past I'd be telling everyone how naughty he was and want everyone to agree with me. If anything needs to be embraced it's the present, as basically it's the only thing you and I and everyone else has got. And it's not bad either.

[????]

"The past is a place to visit not to dwell in"

[Jennys]

If you need Walsh Glazing they are now in Half Moon Lane. Edwards Electrical which was I seem to remember next door to Walsh moved to Penge, near to Homebase, so they are only a short trip on the bus.

[malumbu]

Last thing I think about in East Dulwich is street cred. This comes with white working class areas, and probably in more recent decades more ethnically diverse areas. I fear both have been ethnically cleansed from Lordship Lane. Perhaps a topic for another thread? I asked the question in the sour dough place in Honor Oak Park - "has this restaurant been ethnically cleansed". Confused the waiter!

I and others have earlier commented on other threads about the joys of living on, or close to, the front line when we were rebels with a cause. This was challenged by others saying it is a good thing that our streets are safer places etc. Personally I think it is about getting the right balance, but this is a line that has been crossed around here.

I fear that gentrification simply pushes out social issues to other areas.

As said think this is a separate thread.

[DulwichFox]

Well if East Dulwich is now so good then lets all hope in the next 5 - 10 years nothing else changes...

... otherwise there will be another group of EDF Forumites going on about their good old days

when they're all grown up and older.

DulwichFox

[keekybreeks]

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[Alan Medic]

Well I don't believe in the concept of Street Cred even existing except in someone's mind.

[DulwichFox]

Alan Medic Wrote:

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> Well I don't believe in the concept of Street Cred

> even existing except in someone's mind.

Perhaps that's the answer ?

Like I said in my opening post..

I'm really have no idea on this......

...... Advice needed

Evidently..

It is important to "Walk the Walk" and not just "Talk the Talk" when it comes to maintaining true street cred.

I will bear that in mind.

I can remember when all one needed was a Filofax..

Foxy :)

[Jah Lush]

MrBen Wrote:

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> ps. For an example of an alternative "long

> standing resident" experience of the current area,

> please see Exhibit A, Jah Lush - a man who has

> lived and can reflect on the past but who enjoys

> and participates in old and new worlds equally

> enjoyably....

>

> *tips hat to Jah*

Thanks Mr Ben. Cheque's in the post.

[Alan Medic]

It may bounce though.............smiley thingy

[Jah Lush]

In my current financial plight it most certainly will.

[Louisa]

I know of people who will actively take a tube overground train followed by a bus, from across London, just to be seen going into certain anonymous restaurants on LL. I really am not kidding.

Louisa.

[Alan Medic]

Seen by who? Anonymous restaurant? You mean some people like to come here to eat and it's a crime? Some places aren't as nice as ED. What's your point?

[Louisa]

What I'm saying is these are people who are not going for the great food/service/atmosphere, they're going because time out or someone similar told them to. Nowhere around here is that amazing, or cool or anything similar. Is that the sort of world we want to be living in? Why would anyone travel across a global city like London to visit a handful of average eateries?

Louisa.

[Jah Lush]

Good grief! Words almost fail me. I don't know any 'anonymous' restaurants on Lordship Lane, Louisa. They all have a names. Could you elucidate for us?