Peckham man guilty of murdering French students

[woofmarkthedog]

daizie Wrote:

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> im sorry too woof, really . Each crime is

> different .

Yes true but does killing someone repay society?

No. Each persons death brutalizes us, we don't step up we fall down.

[Tony.London Suburbs]

Sorry to hear that Wolfie.

I do believe though, that if there is absolutely no doubt that Bombers, for example, who have deliberately tergeted their victims have lost and forfeited all their rights to exist.

At the very least, they would not be able to cause any more deaths.

[Santerme]

woofmarkthedog Wrote:

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> daizie Wrote:

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> > im sorry too woof, really . Each crime is

> > different .

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> Yes true but does killing someone repay society?

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> No. Each persons death brutalizes us, we don't

> step up we fall down.

I have to applaud the grace of your position, woof.

It gives comfort to know that humanity prevails in the face evil and loss.

[daizie]

woofmarkthedog Wro

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> Yes true but does killing someone repay society?

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> No. Each persons death brutalizes us, we don't

> step up we fall down.

No Woof, I believe we even out .

[Santerme]

Interesting statistics since 1970 in the US 133 people have been totally exonerated of the crimes for which they had been previously sentenced to death.

Only 1 in 700 murders result in a death sentence and only 1 in 325 result in the sentence being carried out.

[Keef]

This is always an emotive subject, and I guess people's minds won't be changed. I would ask those of you who are pro capital punishment. Would you be the one to pull the trigger? Would you look at the person in the eye, what ever they'd done, and end their life? Even Albert Pierpoint ended up being against capital punishment.

[woofmarkthedog]

So one dead man, then add another is an equation of justice. Get a grip. That's revenge & if you think it satisfies your ego stick with it. I can tell you when in your darkest hour the hardest truth is, it "revenge" solves nothing,how can you get your own back, you can't & your loved one is not coming back no matter how much hate & fury you feel. The real liberation comes ultimately from acceptance, facing the truth & dealing with it.

[daizie]

I really dont understand why some people want 'fairness'and 'justice' in every other aspect of life , yet dont when it involves being tortured to death .

[daizie]

I agree woof , true liberation does come from acceptance, facing truth and dealing with it, with the scum eradicated at the same time . Knowing they can not harm another soul .

[Santerme]

The hallmark of a civilized society is that we punish cruelty without practicing it

[woofmarkthedog]

So to pay back a crime we then "Legally" commit the crime as a society to pay back the criminal.

Sh*t so there really is no "crime" in the first place.

Nice place to live, tell me where am I ?

[Keef]

So what about my question then daisie. Would you be the one to kill the "scum"?

[daizie]

with pleasure keef .

[daizie]

santerme, are you reading enid blyton?

[Keef]

Sounds like you'd rather enjoy it too. But at least you could justify your blood lust by saying you were dishing out justice.

[Santerme]

daizie Wrote:

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> santerme, are you reading enid blyton?

I rather enjoyed her stories as a child, why do you ask?

[Tony.London Suburbs]

Keef Wrote:

Would you look at the person in the eye, what ever they'd done, and end their life? Even Albert Pierpoint ended up being against capital punishment.

I could not do it, personally as I haven't got the temperament.

The main Saudi Executioner inherited the role from his Father and gets his Son to keep the sword in razor-sharp condition.

It does not affect him at all, as he believes he is doing his duty by The Grace Of God.

[LegalEagle-ish]

and what about when some years later it turns out you killed the wrong person and he was totally innocent of the crime you'd killed him for?

Or imagine your son, brother, father wrongly convicted and now dead because of the death sentence. How do you think that would affect his dependants and their view of society and justice?

[Tony.London Suburbs]

BBC: "Saudi executioner tells all"

Beshi says his job does not spoil his social life .

Saudi Arabia's leading executioner says he is "very proud to do God's work" and does not lose sleep over beheading several people in one day.

[Keef]

That's just it Tony, you'd not do it, yet you'd hand that responsibility to someone else and go about your day. Oh well, you could always get daisie to do it for you, she's itching to do some damage!

[Tony.London Suburbs]

LegalEagle-ish Wrote:

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> and what about when some years later it turns out

> you killed the wrong person and he was totally

> innocent of the crime you'd killed him for?

> Or imagine your son, brother, father wrongly

> convicted and now dead because of the death

> sentence. How do you think that would affect his

> dependants and their view of society and justice?

There would have to be not a semblance of doubt.

It would be disastrous to eliminate the wrong person, I agree.

[Keef]

I also think you're on very dangerous ground when you start using religion to justify killing. Isn't that pretty much 9/11?

[LegalEagle-ish]

So how are you going to make sure of that Tony? The statistics on miscarriages of justice are frightening. If you are banged up for 30 years for something you didn't do, at least you can be released and try to recover some of your life. You can't bring an innocent person back from the dead tho, so i don't think the death penalty is ever justified, cos if that was someone i loved killed by the state for something they hadn't done, i think i'd end up a very angry individual indeed.

[daizie]

do you think sonnex might be innocent then ?

[woofmarkthedog]

Oh we are in Saudi now or want to be, gosh how wonderful.... I just love that idea of freedom.

All that oil & heads rolling all day long sounds like utopia. What makes me laugh with the it's "ok in Saudi model" is if you separate the oil wealth then the royal status , you are left with a "subject" state ruled by fear & injustice

If cutting off peoples heads worked as a deterrent then why do they need to employ a family chain to carry out the deterent that clearly doesn't deter.

Move there if you like it so much.