Who did you vote for? Tories never say..

[mockney piers]

Great point about idealism vs expediency. Each must be tempered by the other but at the moment we've (generally) lost sight of the former.

I like to think of myself as a pragmatic socialist with a liberal disposition.

[Maurice]

Oh Alan I do recall you. You live in the former council owned estate serving as a dividing line/wall between civility and the bit of Camberwell we must demolish for the suggested park and ride, yes? I forget your name for it but it was marvelous.

As for Tory being about self-interest, perhaps it is. But it is also about personal responsibility, even if it may lack compassion. I do bore of hearing so little about how individuals are to blame and instead the Government. Such arguments are generally couched with: 'Not that I don't think what happened is horrible and the person should be punished, BUT....'

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> Conservative.

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> Actually the more I converse and interact with

> socialists, the more I realise I might be the true

> socialist.....

Most " Socialists" are not Socialists at all

[*Bob*]

Alan and Maurice - back where they belong.

It's all too much.. I'm getting a little emotional.

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filled with smug self

> satisfaction, oblivious to the role of fortune in

> their overprivileged lives.

My kind of people.

[Maurice]

Alan I indeed like the idea of a bypass from the Grove to perhaps Waterloo? Great idea.

[Alan Dale]

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[Moos]

This is getting interesting, like being a new girlfriend at a family re-union. No idea what's going on but the atmosphere is clearly starting to hiss...

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[*Bob*]

What are you doing back here anyway, Alan?

Are you on a temporary ban from Camberwell Online?

I feel I ought to say - there have been a few changes round here in your absence. You can't just waltz in, take over the steam press and expect to be Top Dog again..

[Maurice]

They've been saying that since the 30's my dear boy. I ought to know. I heard it then!

[Moos]

Bah, turn your back for 5 minutes and miss a corker from Alan that is so harsh it has to be edited out! Or was it another property prediction?

[Maurice]

It all went blank. My new medication is marvelous. I should share.

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[James]

>>Empty suits filled with smug self satisfaction, oblivious to the role of fortune in their overprivileged lives.

Couldn't agree more! In my experience this applies to many Tory voters. Reminds me of watching Boris on 'Who Do You Think You Are.' Having discovered that he is related to the royal family he somehow managed to conclude that it just shows how random everything is & how much social mobility there is in this country. Interesting.

[Marmora Man]

Empty suits filled with smug self satisfaction, oblivious to the role of fortune in their overprivileged lives.

Couldn't agree more! In my experience this applies to many Tory voters.

James - you're pandering to prejudice, and an old and tired prejudice at that.

You clearly haven't met the Conservative voters and supporters I have ? I met a number recently on the estates ? Denmark Hill Estate & Pelican Estate when canvassing with colleagues who had not a pin stripe to share between them. For example there?s Alice, who founded and runs ?Women Of Africa? a charity based in Camberwell, she works to empower African parents to integrate better by understanding UK social, health and education systems. There?s Janet and her husband ? from Sierra Leone they campaigned for the Tories in recent elections, Oliver ? a Council employee and shop steward for his branch of Unison, Andy ? committed Christian and Community Development Officer working on a rough ?social housing? estate in South London, Marjorie ? former chair of CND and PR Officer for CRE and others - all members of the Conservative Party.

We're open to all - we don't represent any particular slice of society and we're not stereotypes ? just politically aware and concerned.

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> >>Empty suits filled with smug self satisfaction,

> oblivious to the role of fortune in their

> overprivileged lives.

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er, if we are going to generalise, I think that's just the Middle Class whoever they vote for

[josiebee]

I voted conservative but I am almost tempted to vote labour in the general election because I would like to see them FORCED (cause soon we just won't be able to borrow money anymore) to sort out the mess they have got us all into. Otherwise the conservatives will be left doing all the mopping up as usual and will be seen as baddies again.

[Tony.London Suburbs]

People seem to be forgetting or not realising that The Conservatives used to have a solid Working-Class support, particularly in London.

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> People seem to be forgetting or not realising that

> The Conservatives used to have a solid

> Working-Class support, particularly in London.

And, to the extent that there remains a "working class" this is beginning o happen again. Equally - the benfitariat that has long been Labour's core support base is beginning to see New Labour for what they are.

The next election will be about who the voters feel can best manage the appalling financial hole this government has created. There is a real possibility (not I think, yet, a probability) that LAbour could come third to the Lib Dems.