Iran with a bomb - Not likely !

[AllforNun]

2 Hours watching sky news live from Iran ........

This lot of maniacal priests with a Bomb.....not bloody likely, hopefully this address will mean no more chatting with this Iranian pixie and his little sports jacket. Christ you would have to be on Zanex to sit quitely in front of this guy, never heard so much balls in my life, how does a whole nation fall for this nonsense ?

There are less women in the crowd than in Gordon Browns cabinet !

[karter]

Maybe they should they have a recount. Depends on the supreme religious leader though? I have a friend that has just obtained a visa for Iran. She will be travelling around the middle east and Asia for a good while. Hopefully it will be safe. :-S

[HAL9000]

AllforNun Wrote:

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> This lot of maniacal priests with a Bomb.....

> ...

> how does a whole nation fall for this nonsense?

Israel: another middle-eastern state dominated by fanatical religious ideas and with loads of Bombs has managed to indoctrinate the entire western world with its bizarre beliefs.

Where is the logic in supporting one and opposing the other?

[AllforNun]

hi hal !

well simple, really

The jewish state does not see it as a slight against their existence to not believe in their religious beliefs.....that's the logic + the fact that the leader of israel has never stated that another country needs to be wiped of the map, plus the fact that you have never seen a press conference where 10's of thousands of citizens of a jewish state are shouting "death to the uk" as i just witnessed on sky.

whatever my issues with israel they pale into insignificance with that of a state run by a bunch of fucking loonies, aytollha my arse, if he posted on here i would take him to the cleaners and still have enough left for after's. There is nothing Holy about that man, nothing.

[AllforNun]

also i think you get unfettered access to the internet over tel aviv way ? where you posting from !

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AllforNun Wrote:

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> The jewish state does not see it as a slight

> against their existence to not believe in their

> religious beliefs.....that's the logic

Israel's existence relies on acceptance of the irrational notion of divinely appointed sovereignty. Those who deny that premise are considered enemies of the state.

> + the fact

> that the leader of israel has never stated that

> another country needs to be wiped of the map,

Except Palestine, of course.

> plus

> the fact that you have never seen a press

> conferance where 10's of thousands of citizens of

> a jewish state are shouting "death to the uk" as i

> just witnessed on sky.

Tell that to all the Brits killed when Israeli terrorists bombed the King David Hotel.

Or the many individuals killed by MOSSAD death squads.

Or the thousands of Palestinians killed at Sabra and Shatila.

Or the hundreds of children killed in Gaza.

> whatever my issues with israel they pale into

> insignificance with that of a state run by a bunch

> of @#$%& loonies,

Yet they look very much like the Ultra Orthodox loonies that hold the balance of power in Israel.

> aytollha my arse, if he posted

> on here i would take him to the cleaners and still

> have enough left for after's. There is nothing

> Holy about that man, nothing.

Holy? I was hoping for a rational discussion.

As long as one religiously deluded state is armed with nuclear weapons, the others will also want them.

[mockney piers]

I too have issues with the way Israel conducts itself in fact rather than in it's rhetoric, but it is a state that would prefer peace even if it seems a bit stupid in the ways to achieve it.

Bringing up the David hotel helps noone, it's like saying we can't trust the german because they didn't keep their promises at Munich.

Like Israel, Iran has a large and sophisticated professional tier who would prefer reform and peace, bt they are ruled by a ruling elite that when it is by definition extremely conservative and like any revolutionary generation hugely paranoid.

Israel isn't ruled by hardliners, though they have a voice disproportionate to their popular support (the hardliners in Iran do enjoy popular support, hence why the mullahs took control after the shah was bright down by an extremely broad coalition and why the current standoff is potentially so fraught, it could essentially be a revisit f the post revolutionary struggle, but this time the reformers know the price of failure) and their government ers on the side of hawkish. To compare the two however s unhelpful and disingenuous. I'd elaborate more, but fecking iPhones aren't fun.

[AllforNun]

Neatly dissected but still a rubbish argument, those comparisons are weak arsed.

The chances of letting Iran have a bomb should be less than zero. If the people don't rise up an overthrow this bunch of religious fruitcakes then there will be a lot of civilain casualties. Thats what will happen, fact.

I would rather give the biggest guy in the playground a hammer than hand it to the smallest and most insecure one, it's a fact of life.

[AllforNun]

as for Israel and their : ooh ooh look is'nt that the baby jesus he's finally arrived, hoorah ! ...well F them too.

over and out

[vinceayre]

Israel will never allow Iran to have the ability to bomb the Jewish state, which they would if they could wipe it out in one bombing raid.

[mockney piers]

Which they can't ... Next.

Iran has simply learnt the bvious lessons of Iraq v n Korea. If you ACTULLY have WMD you don't get invaded. Attacking Israel with nukes would only result in MAD. Even the mullahs aren't that stupid.

I'd rather they didn't have them but then I'd rather we obeyed our duties as signatories to the nuclear non proliferation treaty and didn't renew trident so no joy all rOund

[vinceayre]

Twaddle, mutually assured destruction only works as a deterrent if both sides don't want to die, haven't you read the papers,this lot like killing themselves.

[mockney piers]

Right, yes good point well reasoned ..... ...... errrm .... sorry which bit of the papers?

[Huguenot]

Martyrdom in fact has a very niche appeal in the muslim world.

The they're 'all out to get us at whatever the cost' is an irresponsibly paranoiac position that incentivises pre-emptive unilateral action.

Not a bright idea to propagate this myth then.

[bigbadwolf]

I don't think it'll be long until the Iranian's get their hands on nuclear weapons. They'll probably just end up buying one on Ebay of the Russians and it'll be delivered in a wooden box and left under the kitchen sink until Isreal has the cheek to open a Macdonalds on the Gaza strip.

[Santerme]

It is highly questionable whether Israel has the military capability to destroy Iran's nuclear program, or even to delay it for several years.

Should the approaches made by the Obama administration not prove fruitful and who can predict in these new times, then Iran will possess nuclear weapons in a relatively short time.

Consequently, Jerusalem need to adjust their mindset to accomodate an Iran with a nuclear strike capability against Israel.

Israel has over egged the pudding with the Iranian threat in my view.

Certainly, the regime in Tehran is an embittered and intransigent rival, however it is a leap from there to proving a real existential threat to Israel.

Iran's delving into regional terror is worrying, but financially supporting terrorism amd the intent to engage in a nuclear exchange with Israel are a quantum distance apart.

MAD, will prevail in the region and deter attacks.

There has to come a time to desist from potraying a threat which may not materialise, hold back from sabre rattling, which presents the serious possibility of unencumbered escalation.

[AllforNun]

JUST LOOK at this crazy F-ING Iranian whipping up this crowd of Loonies !

Stick that where the morality police don't shine !!!!

[Huguenot]

So what are you after AfN,a war footing?

[AllforNun]

No............... Queen to play Tehran.

[Huguenot]

I thought Freddie was deaddie?

[AllforNun]

check the link baby ...he lives on ! if your going to go to war do it on a memory